'17 GA LB Mo Burnam (former UT commit)

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BruinVol said:
I have a novel idea.....,


Don't take these type kids in the first place and there won't be any complaining when the commit or when the get told to beat it.
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I personally don't care if Butch drops the kid 1 minute before signing day if he gets a better player on board.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Some people on here was whining about Butch taking 3*s. Now when he's telling 3*s to look elsewhere to replace them with a higher rated player, they'll start complaining about how classless it was for Butch to let them go. Lol
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No, The complaining is taking them in the first place
 
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BruinVol said:
I have a novel idea.....,


Don't take these type kids in the first place and there won't be any complaining when the commit or when the get told to beat it.
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Geez.. it's ok for Saban, Dabo, Harbaugh, Freeze, and other coaches to let commits go but if Butch does it, oh he's just evil and classless? :dunno: Alrighty then. :crazy:
 
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BruinVol said:
Sounds good if you don't give a damn about the lives of others. I think butch can do his job AND avoid treating guys like cattle.
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No I don't give a single damn about dropping a player when better ones are wanting in. And Butch shouldn't lose a minute of sleep over it either. This is something I actually like a lot about Butch. All the great coaches are a**holes.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Geez.. it's ok for Saban, Dabo, Harbaugh, Freeze, and other coaches to let commits go but if Butch does it, oh he's just evil and classless? :dunno: Alrighty then. :crazy:
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Don't like any of them doing it but it is understandable when it happens 1-2 times a year but when you 100% plan for it to happen 3-5 times every year it is bs.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Geez.. it's ok for Saban, Dabo, Harbaugh, Freeze, and other coaches to let commits go but if Butch does it, oh he's just evil and classless? :dunno: Alrighty then. :crazy:
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It's all on the media for the most part. A little to do with coaching at other schools too but not so much because they do it too.
 
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Recruits do the same thing lol. How about Richmond flipping to us on NSD? How about Tee misleading our staff? Hunter Johnson, Vonn Bell naming us his Leader then committing to OSU the next day. It happens both ways, I doubt yall cared when Richmond did it to Freeze
 
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BruinVol said:
I have a novel idea.....,


Don't take these type kids in the first place and there won't be any complaining when the commit or when the get told to beat it.
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You see these kids in camp and they show flashes, so you offer in hopes that you beat the competition to get your foot in the door and then you hope they show improvement to warrant your offer. When they don't show improvement, perform poorly in the classroom, or have problems off the field, you make room for better players.

If we were waiting until their SR years to offer only the most elite players, can you imagine how many underrated, unknown, late-bloomers we might miss on? Tyrann Mathieu for example. We discovered him at our camp and offered. He nearly committed as a 2* player, but held off. Christmas-Giles is another. Both exploded their senior years and had plenty of options, but we were the first to discover then and offer.

Sure, sometimes it doesn't work out, but I trust Butch to handle it accordingly. He's been right on some complete unknowns far too often for me to say the hell with his system of scouting/recruiting. He gets paid millions to make these decisions and he has a nice scouting team behind those decisions.

The same people moaning about this issue are the ones who'd be complaining that we only had 8-10 commits at this point if we recruited from the opposite end of the spectrum.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You see these kids in camp and they show flashes, so you offer in hopes that you beat the competition to get your foot in the door and then you hope they show improvement to warrant your offer. When they don't show improvement, perform poorly in the classroom, or have problems off the field, you make room for better players.

If we were waiting until their SR years to offer only the most elite players, can you imagine how many underrated, unknown, late-bloomers we might miss on? Tyrann Mathieu for example. We discovered him at our camp and offered. He nearly committed as a 2* player, but held off. Christmas-Giles is another. Both exploded their senior years and had plenty of options, but we were the first to discover then and offer.

Sure, sometimes it doesn't work out, but I trust Butch to handle it accordingly. He's been right on some complete unknowns far too often for me to say the hell with his system of scouting/recruiting. He gets paid millions to make these decisions and he has a nice scouting team behind those decisions.

The same people moaning about this issue are the ones who'd be complaining that we only had 8-10 commits at this point if we recruited from the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Such a simple concept, yet so hard for some to understand.
 
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BruinVol said:
Don't like any of them doing it but it is understandable when it happens 1-2 times a year but when you 100% plan for it to happen 3-5 times every year it is bs.
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And where did you get your facts? Please show us or this is Bruin's bs.
 
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vols 30 said:
No, The complaining is taking them in the first place
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Two things... I have no doubt that all offers are conditional. If you continue to improve, if you continue to work, if you make grades. Second, we know Butch has helped to place kids in other programs when they did not rise to the level they neede to to in order to sign with UT.

Add to that the fact that most kids do not want to be in a program where they simply can't expect to see playing time. If the assessment changes and that becomes the expectation, you aren't doing the kid a favor by recruiting him to ride the bench. I can think of very few kids who were vocal about losing out in the process. I'm sure there are hurt feelings sometimes, but nearly 100% of the players that we offer will play ball somewhere if not here. And their lives will go on from there. Kids get over it and move on. Fans should too.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You see these kids in camp and they show flashes, so you offer in hopes that you beat the competition to get your foot in the door and then you hope they show improvement to warrant your offer. When they don't show improvement, perform poorly in the classroom, or have problems off the field, you make room for better players.
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I wish I had seen you excellent post before I wrote mine. Nicely said.
 
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BruinVol said:
Don't like any of them doing it but it is understandable when it happens 1-2 times a year but when you 100% plan for it to happen 3-5 times every year it is bs.
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Hate to say it, but when the kids can change their minds, so can the coaches. The coaches probably also explain that it's conditional. It has turned out to be a really effective way to recruit.
 
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BruinVol said:
Sounds good if you don't give a damn about the lives of others. I think butch can do his job AND avoid treating guys like cattle.
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You apparently don't worry about others seeing as though you are currently running a kid's name in the ground on another thread. Nobody should take your supposed moral code seriously. You're an effing hypocrite.
 
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BruinVol said:
Don't like any of them doing it but it is understandable when it happens 1-2 times a year but when you 100% plan for it to happen 3-5 times every year it is bs.
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So it's ok to screw 1 or 2 kids over but not 3 to 5..... WTF... I wouldn't think 'screwing' even one of these kids would be acceptable to you...




That being said, I don't think Butch is 'screwing' them in the first place.. It's the nature of recruiting and I think most involved understand this.
 
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m1al said:
So it's ok to screw 1 or 2 kids over but not 3 to 5..... WTF... I wouldn't think 'screwing' even one of these kids would be acceptable to you...




That being said, I don't think Butch is 'screwing' them in the first place.. It's the nature of recruiting and I think most involved understand this.
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Agree. It is part of the recruiting process at all schools. It's not Butch is the only coach doing it. People act that way though about it.
 
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I've said this multiple times in different threads, but nobody on VN is privy to the conversation between the coaches and players when they commit, so how do you know they are being mistreated in any way?

Most of these early 3* commits know they are probably not at the top of our board and face the possibility of being recruited over. Notice I said MOST! There are probably a few the coaches believe are truly undervalued and tell them so.

The bottom line, every one of these guys has multiple offers and if they get recruited over here, they will have the opportunity to play somewhere else, so it's not like we are ruining their lives. Not saying it's a pleasant experience, but I honestly believe it's not something they don't realize is a possibility.
 
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m1al said:
So it's ok to screw 1 or 2 kids over but not 3 to 5..... WTF... I wouldn't think 'screwing' even one of these kids would be acceptable to you...




That being said, I don't think Butch is 'screwing' them in the first place.. It's the nature of recruiting and I think most involved understand this.
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Slow down Hoss.

This ain't Penn State.
 
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m1al said:
So it's ok to screw 1 or 2 kids over but not 3 to 5..... WTF... I wouldn't think 'screwing' even one of these kids would be acceptable to you...




That being said, I don't think Butch is 'screwing' them in the first place.. It's the nature of recruiting and I think most involved understand this.
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If it happens to one player in a class it's understandable as the numbers just didn't work out exactly as planed. It's unfortunate but it happens.


If you fill up your class months before signing day every single year and then start culling 3-4 fish out of the live well after bigger catches then it was part of the plan all along.


Again I have put a detailed list out of what has been successful for jones regarding lower ranked players. That list of success stories has been by flipping kids from lesser schools late in the process. So with that said Tennessee is an elite school and if butch would act like that early on in each cycle there wouldn't be these burned bridges left afterward. It isn't like Tenn needs to be first in the door with kids. We are elite and can get kids when we want them.
 
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