'17 GA LB Mo Burnam (former UT commit)

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Catbone said:
If we have a good season there will be some replacements
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And some players will decommit as we add new recruits or they are recruited elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the most fluid recruiting class CBJ has had.
 
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BruinVol said:
If that's the case I see no problem with it as you say.

Is this kid still taking visits? If he knows his spot is conditional Surely he is still looking around.
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Would you? I wouldn't do a dang thing to jeopardize my spot. Just getting being a commit to a prestigious school, is going to open better doors at lower tier programs if you are cut loose. It increases your visibility and value. How is that hard to understand?
 
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Buckle up. It's getting bumpy in here.
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Would you? I wouldn't do a dang thing to jeopardize my spot. Just getting being a commit to a prestigious school, is going to open better doors at lower tier programs if you are cut loose. It increases your visibility and value. How is that hard to understand?
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History says he should still be talking to other options and probably scheduling other visits. Silly for the kid to leave himself in a bad spot and scrambling for another school. That is unless the staff has changed the way they do things.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Would you? I wouldn't do a dang thing to jeopardize my spot. Just getting being a commit to a prestigious school, is going to open better doors at lower tier programs if you are cut loose. It increases your visibility and value. How is that hard to understand?
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I would keep looking if my spot was clearly conditional

To each his own I guess

GBO
 
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I have no feeling idea how it can be so hard to understand the concept. What other upper tier P5s giving this kid a chance to jump in? If he doesn't cut the mustard this year to nail down that spot, then he isn't going to end up any where good anyway. How many Jacksonville State type schools you gotta visit to figure out where you're gonna go?
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
If they are wise, about 18 of our 20 commits are considering their other options.
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I'd say that range is close to 8-10. Also, they COULD be considered wise if they were focusing on the athletic and academic work they need to do to make themselves a must take.
 
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delfonic said:
I'd say that range is close to 8-10. Also, they COULD be considered wise if they were focusing on the athletic and academic work they need to do to make themselves a must take.
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Exactly..great post. I am pulling for this kid to go orbital this season and reward the faith the staff showed in him to give him that offer.
 
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Perhaps we should start getting 40-50 conditional commits and let them "earn" their keep over their senior years.

The best part of this would be keeping kids away from other sec schools

Hayden would have been the first candidate. By the time we decided if he earned it or not Arkansas will have moved on. If we aren't sure we could even wait until NSD to pass out the "earning" certifications to make sure the other schools are screwed
 
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BruinVol said:
Perhaps we should start getting 40-50 conditional commits and let them "earn" their keep over their senior years.

The best part of this would be keeping kids away from other sec schools

Hayden would have been the first candidate. By the time we decided if he earned it or not Arkansas will have moved on. If we aren't sure we could even wait until NSD to pass out the "earning" certifications
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LOL

That might be going a biiiiitt too far.

Handing out git shirts like it's 3 for a buck at the swap meet.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
LOL

That might be going a biiiiitt too far.
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Hey Bryant got the 85 limit implemented by the NCAA Because he was signing kids just to keep them away from other schools. Why not this approach? I mean it's legal and any 3star marginal kid would be crazy not to commit to a conditional offer
 
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BruinVol said:
Hey Bryant got the 85 limit implemented by the NCAA Because he was signing kids just to keep them away from other schools. Why not this approach? I mean it's legal and any 3star marginal kid would be crazy not to commit to a conditional offer
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I don't think I've ever seen a kid talk about being dropped late in the process and mention his "conditional offer". Usually it's just how he bought in. Trusted people. And thought everything was fine before he got the call. IF they called at all.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
I don't think I've ever seen a kid talk about being dropped late in the process and mention his "conditional offer". Usually it's just how he bought in. Trusted people. And thought everything was fine before he got the call. IF they called at all.
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Yes I keep taking about conditional offers but I would bet the only condition ever mentioned to these kids is academics and keeping their nose clean

I don't buy for a second any kid is ever told in the recruiting process you have to get better if you want to keep from getting recruited over
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes I keep taking about conditional offers but I would bet the only condition ever mentioned to these kids is academics and keeping their nose clean

I don't buy for a second any kid is ever told in the recruiting process you have to get better if you want to keep from getting recruited over
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Agreed. Qualifying and no trouble is a given.

Offer should mean he's good enough, currently. Taking a commitment should secure his spot. Development after that is on the coaches taking said commitment. JMO

As my 1st post in here today stated, Hopefully Mo gets to sign as a Vol.
 
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This roster was rebuilt from a pitiful talent level to it's current loaded status. Butch achieved that by the methods he's demonstrated so far. He didn't manage to do his job and take care of the program by recruiting scared. You don't wait until NSD to start recruiting your backup contingencies. If a low rated player who commits, blows up that particular season, they'll be a take. No matter how nice and caring you present yourself to a blown up recruit, there's a high chance they reopen their recruiting commitment when all the other pretty programs become enamored. A smart coach is 3-4 steps ahead of that potential pratfall and takes steps to take care of the program. Coaches that recruit scared are left flailing in the wind and unemployed after 3 seasons. :) JMO FWIW TCOB ROKU TIA ASVAB FDA USSR
 
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butchna said:
This roster was rebuilt from a pitiful talent level to it's current loaded status. Butch achieved that by the methods he's demonstrated so far. He didn't manage to do his job and take care of the program by recruiting scared. You don't wait until NSD to start recruiting your backup contingencies. If a low rated player who commits, blows up that particular season, they'll be a take. No matter how nice and caring you present yourself to a blown up recruit, there's a high chance they reopen their recruiting commitment when all the other pretty programs become enamored. A smart coach is 3-4 steps ahead of that potential pratfall and takes steps to take care of the program. Coaches that recruit scared are left flailing in the wind and unemployed after 3 seasons. :) JMO FWIW TCOB ROKU TIA ASVAB FDA USSR
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So nearly this entire board thinks when we win 10 or more games we are going to be able to get the 5star guys but we couldn't expect to do the same for a 3star that blew up?

Doesn't add it. We are elite and damn sure can and have gotten the fringy recruit late in the process. Zero need to act like we aren't elite and take those guy so early.
 
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butchna said:
This roster was rebuilt from a pitiful talent level to it's current loaded status. Butch achieved that by the methods he's demonstrated so far. He didn't manage to do his job and take care of the program by recruiting scared. You don't wait until NSD to start recruiting your backup contingencies. If a low rated player who commits, blows up that particular season, they'll be a take. No matter how nice and caring you present yourself to a blown up recruit, there's a high chance they reopen their recruiting commitment when all the other pretty programs become enamored. A smart coach is 3-4 steps ahead of that potential pratfall and takes steps to take care of the program. Coaches that recruit scared are left flailing in the wind and unemployed after 3 seasons. :) JMO FWIW TCOB ROKU TIA ASVAB FDA USSR
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Yep a commitment isn't a commitment until signing day..... It's an extremely competitive world trying to get a scholarship.
 
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Isn't filling a class up in June or July with "marginal" talent that is loaded with "conditional" offers and then dropping them as need be very much look like recruiting scared?

I get it people don't think my recruiting strategy can work. Although it has been discovered Clemson is making it work and work well. I would be confident enough in my evaluations to not take a commitment unless that spot belongs to the kid who bought into my program.
 
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BruinVol said:
So nearly this entire board thinks when we win 10 or more games we are going to be able to get the 5star guys but we couldn't expect to do the same for a 3star that blew up?

Doesn't add it. We are elite and damn sure can and have gotten the fringy recruit late in the process. Zero need to act like we aren't elite and take those guy so early.
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We're not "elite" until we have a CONSISTENT record that reflects that. Even then the Bama's and OSU's of the world reverse recruit their lower end commits to make room for potential program changers...sometimes late in the process. Their. "lower end" is usually a 4 star (like a Bruce Judson?). When we achieve that status, we'll screw a few of those too...in the process of taking care of the program. :sleep:
 
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Duke recruits nice and babysits their commits. I guess you can say they take care of their program...but their program is a success at a lower level than what would be acceptable in Knoxville. Just the way it is. If Butch just starts giving up on difference makers to go with developed 3 stars, he's falling into the rut of nice coach who recruits scared and doesn't take care of the program. We're in the SEC. We can't settle for nice guy ACC lower level recruiting. Now we're beginning to be able to redshirt developing contributors so that will allow for some projects...but gotta pursue the difference makers. :hi: JMO HULU PDA UB40 COSTCO
 
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butchna said:
We're not "elite" :
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We damn sure are elite when it comes to recruiting. Even in our worst times we have always been able to go in and steal a recruit from the lower Power 5 schools late in the process. Owen Williams is a great example. That's the level school we are competing against when we take marginal commits early.
 
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