'17 TN OL/DT Trey Smith (UT commit 12/6/2016)

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VolAllen said:
The info literally means nothing to me. I'll get nothing from it. I care very little about recruiting and frankly, I've seen so many of these highly touted recruits turn into busts at UT, that it's hard to even get excited. But seeing how there's this loooooong thread about the recruitment of this guy and most of it is just back and fourth bicker and speculation, I figured I'd bring something useful to those who really care.

I won't elaborate (yet) because I was told not to say anything. Anyone that knows me on here knows my brother is in a fraternity at UT. One that parties and hangs with players. Take it or leave it. Like I said, I really don't care.
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Thanks for the info. It blows my mind how we eat our own around here.
 
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Who are we calling a bus to out of Butch's recruiting classes? You guys do realize that it is very rare for a freshman to be a star and most guys need 2 or 3 years to develop. See Malone.

Those bagging on Khalil must not realize how much better we are against the run whenever he isn't commanding a center/guard double team - in this thread and others. Also Richmond improved a lot from game 1 to end of season. Should only get better.
 
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nashvol1 said:
Who are we calling a bus to out of Butch's recruiting classes? You guys do realize that it is very rare for a freshman to be a star and most guys need 2 or 3 years to develop. See Malone.

Those bagging on Khalil must not realize how much better we are against the run whenever he isn't commanding a center/guard double team - in this thread and others. Also Richmond improved a lot from game 1 to end of season. Should only get better.
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I wasn't talking about just the Butch era. I'm going back to recruits like Brent Schaffer, Coker, Worley, Riley Ferg, underutilized Kamara, North, Preston Williams, Bates, Croom, etc...

There have been so many over the years I've lost track.
 
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VolAllen said:
I wasn't talking about just the Butch era. I'm going back to recruits like Brent Schaffer, Coker, Worley, Riley Ferg, underutilized Kamara, North, Preston Williams, Croom, etc...

There have been so many over the years I've lost track.
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Happens to all teams. Why you need top 10 classes every year.

Riley Ferg was beaten out, Worley was a 3 star, P Williams was beaten out, North quit...I guess we forgot Eric Berry, and many others... Butch era Derek Barnett, Josh Dobbs, Jaylen Reeves Maybin, Josh Malone, Jennings, and others who are developing.
 
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nashvol1 said:
Happens to all teams. Why you need top 10 classes every year.

Riley Ferg was beaten out, Worley was a 3 star, P Williams was beaten out, North quit...I guess we forgot Eric Berry, and many others... Butch era Derek Barnett, Josh Dobbs, Jaylen Reeves Maybin, Josh Malone, Jennings, and others who are developing.
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Worley was a 3 star, but he was also like Gatorade Player of the Year or whatever in high school. I'm not sure if I ever saw that talent in him, but I'm no professional talent evaluator. And "beaten out" doesn't take them out of bust category. If JG gets beaten out at QB, I'll consider him a bust. You come in highly touted and sought after and never play, that's a bust, my friend.
 
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He won't leave campus until later tonight."

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VolAllen said:
Worley was a 3 star, but he was also like Gatorade Player of the Year or whatever in high school. I'm not sure if I ever saw that talent in him, but I'm no professional talent evaluator. And "beaten out" doesn't take them out of bust category. If JG gets beaten out at QB, I'll consider him a bust. You come in highly touted and sought after and never play, that's a bust, my friend.
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Beaten out by another 4/5 stars does count matter...happens every year. P Williams played but lost his starting job, only 1 QB spot with 3 4 stars battling for the spot next year. You only have so many spots and guys want to play/start. You can't have it both ways and say Ferg was a bust because Dobbs was not and there is not room for 2 QBs. P Willy could have stayed and fought for his job back. A question is where do you draw the lines when 4 and 5 stars beat out other 4 and 5 stars?
 
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volnpowell said:
Exactly, he still gets double teamed a lot.
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Does he? Seriously, I'm not sure he does. Why would teams double team a second string DT? Double teams are normally reserved for great, very disruptive players on the DL. For example, teams double teamed Barnett often this year. Vereen though?....not so much, which is why he was able to be productive at times and come up with some big plays.

I'm gonna need to see proof of him being double teamed "a lot" before believing it. I know this though, whether he has or hasn't been double teamed a lot, he just hasn't been a productive player here to date.
 
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nashvol1 said:
Beaten out by another 4/5 stars does count matter...happens every year. P Williams played but lost his starting job, only 1 QB spot with 3 4 stars battling for the spot next year. You only have so many spots and guys want to play/start. You can't have it both ways and say Ferg was a bust because Dobbs was not and there is not room for 2 QBs. P Willy could have stayed and fought for his job back. A question is where do you draw the lines when 4 and 5 stars beat out other 4 and 5 stars?
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That's exactly why I don't put much stock into recruiting. Most of the time, they miss. I really don't follow it. I had to Google Trey Smith after I was told what I was told. I run a business and I don't have much time to worry about someone else's. Recruiting is Butch's business. I just get to watch and hope he runs a good business.
 
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KBVol said:
Does he? Seriously, I'm not sure he does. Why would teams double team a second string DT? Double teams are normally reserved for great, very disruptive players on the DL. For example, teams double teamed Barnett often this year. Vereen though?....not so much, which is why he was able to be productive at times and come up with some big plays.

I'm gonna need to see proof of him being double teamed "a lot" before believing it. I know this though, whether he has or hasn't been double teamed a lot, he just hasn't been a productive player here to date.
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Be honest, at any point did you key in on him to see if he was being double teamed, or are you just saying that he wasn't to fit your narrative?
 
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VolAllen said:
The info literally means nothing to me. I'll get nothing from it. I care very little about recruiting and frankly, I've seen so many of these highly touted recruits turn into busts at UT, that it's hard to even get excited. But seeing how there's this loooooong thread about the recruitment of this guy and most of it is just back and fourth bicker and speculation, I figured I'd bring something useful to those who really care.

I won't elaborate (yet) because I was told not to say anything. Anyone that knows me on here knows my brother is in a fraternity at UT. One that parties and hangs with players. Take it or leave it. Like I said, I really don't care.
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LOL so now you out your brother that parties with UT players? I love this place
 
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barrylee said:
Always hope a player gets better but I think his play is not being given the due it deserves. One of his last games played before injury, I remember reading an article where he graded out best on the line. He didn't have a sack but occupied two lineman every play. He doesn't have to initiate a sack to be doing his job.
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KMac DOES get double teamed a lot. He is hell for an OG to handle alone. Losing him really opened the gates for opponents run game. Hopefully next yr he can improve his first steps and beat some of those.
 
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LaagerVol said:
Be honest, at any point did you key in on him to see if he was being double teamed, or are you just saying that he wasn't to fit your narrative?
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I don't have a "narrative". The poster said he was "double teamed a lot". Is there any proof of that? I haven't "keyed in on him", and am wondering if the other poster has or did he just threw a statement out there?

KMac hasn't shown to be a productive player thus far....he hasn't even been able to crack the starting lineup outside of injury......so why would teams scheme to double team him? If there's evidence that says he was then I'll gladly stand corrected.
 
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wmcovol said:
KMac DOES get double teamed a lot. He is hell for an OG to handle alone. Losing him really opened the gates for opponents run game. Hopefully next yr he can improve his first steps and beat some of those.
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Any proof that that's true? Honest question.

We didn't stop anybody all year long running the ball, with or without KMac. He had 12 tackles and a half tackle for loss. No sacks, no forced fumbles, no fumble recoveries in 6+ games. Was our backup DT really double teamed a lot or are people just assuming he was and throwing it out there?
 
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KBVol said:
I don't have a "narrative". The poster said he was "double teamed a lot". Is there any proof of that? I haven't "keyed in on him", and am wondering if the other poster has or did he just throw a statement out there?

KMac hasn't shown to be a productive player thus far....he hasn't even been able to crack the starting lineup outside of injury......so why would teams scheme to double team him? If there's evidence that says he was then I'll gladly stand corrected.
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You just assumed he wasn't double teamed to suit your stance. I have keyed on him and the whole line a lot and he was double teamed most of the time. Needs a quicker first step to split those double teams but he more than held his own, as did obrien and shy. Rest of DTs didn't see a lot of doubles.
 
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LaagerVol said:
You just assumed he wasn't double teamed to suit your stance. I have keyed on him and the whole line a lot and he was double teamed most of the time. Needs a quicker first step to split those double teams but he more than held his own, as did obrien and shy. Rest of DTs didn't see a lot of doubles.
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Sure he was. I don't believe you.
 
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drvenner said:
I honestly don't remember all the details, but I will definitely take your word for it. It does seem to be trending downwards. Getting Trey Smith to sign would be a step back in the right direction.
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Well we certainly agree on that, but I don't think we are getting him. I think he has been planning on going somewhere else all along. And I've felt that way for awhile. But I sure hope I'm wrong on this one. I was wrong on Philips a couple of years ago, and felt the same way about his recruitment as I do Treys.
 
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LaagerVol said:
Lol you already admitted you didn't even watch him, so you are arguing over something you admittedly have no clue about. Gold
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You got one side the argument with no evidence I got the other with no evidence.

You say he was double teamed a lot, I say he wasn't. All circumstantial.

But in general, teams typically don't scheme to double team second string DTs who can't crack the starting lineup and who rarely gets in on a tackle. Same idea as no teams making a specific point of double teaming Croom at tight end or Brandon Johnson when he came in at WR.

All I did initially was ask if anybody had any evidence that the poster I originally responded to was actually correct in saying KMac was "double teamed a lot". Still haven't seen any.

Btw, I saw him get stood up plenty of times unable to get off a block while a running back ran right past him this season. Didn't say I never watched him, said I didn't "key in" on him enough to know if he was double teamed a lot.
 
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