'17 TN OL/DT Trey Smith (UT commit 12/6/2016)

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KBVol said:
You got one side the argument with no evidence I got the other with no evidence.

You say he was double teamed a lot, I say he wasn't. All circumstantial.

But in general, teams typically don't scheme to double team second string DTs who can't crack the starting lineup and who rarely gets in on a tackle. Same idea as no teams making a specific point of double teaming Croom at tight end or Brandon Johnson when he came in at WR.

All I did initially was ask if anybody had any evidence that the poster I originally responded to was actually correct in saying KMac was "double teamed a lot". Still haven't seen any.

Btw, I saw him get stood up plenty of times unable to get off a block while the running ran right past him this season. Didn't say I never watched him, said I didn't "key in" on him enough to know if he was double teamed a lot.
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You don't get that arguing a point that you already admitted you know nothing about is crazy?? It's easy for you to ask for "proof" when you know it isn't a "kept" stay and would be hard to prove. Like I said, when i rewatched games I did key on him.

And to compare "double teaming" a WR to doubling a DT proves you know nothing about blocking schemes. And I saw him get stood up a lot and not get off blocks too. That wasn't the debate. Also, he and Danny o were interchangeable, not like he was only used to give a breather for a play. So for you to keep using "backup" is a bit disingenuous.

So I guess you are right.... I just made that up /blue font

Edit * prove that he wasn't double teamed often..... See how that works?
 
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KBVol said:
Any proof that that's true? Honest question.

We didn't stop anybody all year long running the ball, with or without KMac. He had 12 tackles and a half tackle for loss. No sacks, no forced fumbles, no fumble recoveries in 6+ games. Was our backup DT really double teamed a lot or are people just assuming he was and throwing it out there?
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I do focus on him many times. He does get double teamed a lot and holds his own very well. Starting at DT is pretty irrelevant. They all play half the time if your in rotation.

Earlier in the yr the big running plays were outside, not many up the middle. Tuttle had a huge game vs VaTech but he was playing with KMac who was getting D-teamed. Tuttle was killing his guy 1 on 1. From Bama on, the d got gashed wherever and whenever the Opponent wanted to.

I don't have a film breakdown to show you, so if you want to continue to think he sucks, have at it.
 
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LaagerVol said:
You don't get that arguing a point that you already admitted you know nothing about is crazy?? It's easy for you to ask for "proof" when you know it isn't a "kept" stay and would be hard to prove. Like I said, when i rewatched games I did key on him.

And to compare "double teaming" a WR to doubling a DT proves you know nothing about blocking schemes. And I saw him get stood up a lot and not get off blocks too. That wasn't the debate. Also, he and Danny o were interchangeable, not like he was only used to give a breather for a play. So for you to keep using "backup" is a bit disingenuous.

So I guess you are right.... I just made that up /blue font

Edit * prove that he wasn't double teamed often..... See how that works?
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Ahh yes, the old "you don't know anything about football routine". Lol.

I have no issues understanding blocking schemes. Certainly not a Dline coach or expert but I get the general idea. I just differ with you about when and against whom a team would double team our DL. . KMac has given teams little to no reason to double team him. Tuttle? Yes. Even OBrien....yes. Barnett at DE? Absolutely. But KMac? Nah, unless he just happens to be the DT that needs to be blocked down on for a particular play....certainly not because he's KMac and needs to be accounted for and dealt with if the offense is going to have success. He's by no means a top flight SEC DT that commands a double team.

I do see how it works and I've already pointed it out to you in an earlier post. You say one thing you can't prove and I say one thing I can't prove, tit for tat........only I apply some logic as opposed to you just pulling ish out of your arse.

As I said before, you just randomly saying "uhhhhh.....yeah.....uhhhh, I saw KMac get doubled teamed all the time....all the time I tell ya" ain't cutting it. With all due respect, just not buying it.
 
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Just talked with five-star OT Trey Smith following his official visit to Tennessee this weekend. He said he really enjoyed the visit, and the Vols clearly rolled out the red carpet for him this weekend. He said the production they put on this weekend was "ridiculous," especially with Smith being their only official visitor.
He said he pretty much already knew going into the visit where he was going, so this weekend was more about just having fun with most of Tennessee's players and the Vols' staff. He declined to name which teams will have hats on the table Tuesday during his announcement ceremony at his school, which is scheduled for 4:30 p.m. Eastern time.
Smith said Alabama coach Nick Saban and Ohio State coach Urban Meyer both will visit him Monday, as will some of Tennessee's assistant coaches. Vols coach Butch Jones used his visit with Smith last weekend. As of right now, he said those are the only coaches he expects to visit him Monday.
We'll have a full story on Smith shortly.
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-Callahan
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Well we certainly agree on that, but I don't think we are getting him. I think he has been planning on going somewhere else all along. And I've felt that way for awhile. But I sure hope I'm wrong on this one. I was wrong on Philips a couple of years ago, and felt the same way about his recruitment as I do Treys.
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KBVol said:
Ahh yes, the old "you don't know anything about football routine". Lol.

I have no issues understanding blocking schemes. Certainly not a Dline coach or expert but I get the general idea. I just differ with you about when and against whom a team would double team our DL. . KMac has given teams little to no reason to double team him. Tuttle? Yes. Even OBrien....yes. Barnett at DE? Absolutely. But KMac? Nah, unless he just happens to be the DT that needs to be blocked down on for a particular play....certainly not because he's KMac and needs to be accounted for and dealt with if the offense is going to have success. He's by no means a top flight SEC DT that commands a double team.

I do see how it works and I've already pointed it out to you in an earlier post. You say one thing you can't prove and I say one thing I can't prove, tit for tat........only I apply some logic as opposed to you just pulling ish out of your arse.

As I said before, you just randomly saying "uhhhhh.....yeah.....uhhhh, I saw KMac get doubled teamed all the time....all the time I tell ya" ain't cutting it. With all due respect, just not buying it.
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Lol you assuming he doesn't get double teamed because YOU don't think he should be is "logic" but me actually watching him get double teamed is pulling it out of my arse...... Lol ok.
Again, you don't understand blocking schemes. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm a lineman so I don't understand all the intricacies of playing QB or RB, etc. I never said you know nothing about football, I said blocking schemes.

You are just arguing something you truly don't know about just for the sake of argument.

Ok, enough thread derailment. Really hope Trey chooses us this week.
 
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"After six straight nights of steak dinners, Trey is headed home. He said he knew of his decision before he came on his visit. He spoke of Tennessee's global brand and how much they made him a priority. Vol coaches will be in home tomorrow plus Saban and Meyer. He isn't sure who will be in last but said there is some jockeying to get that last chat. He was very gracious and said Tennessee has done as much as you can do. Will it be enough? Time and tomorrow will tell. Story to come"

- Austin Price
 
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I don't think he would keep talking about how made up his mind was if he was gonna turn down his instate school. Would imagine it would be more this is a huge decision ect. So after he could act like it was hard to turn down in state
 
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wmcovol said:
I do focus on him many times. He does get double teamed a lot and holds his own very well. Starting at DT is pretty irrelevant. They all play half the time if your in rotation.

Earlier in the yr the big running plays were outside, not many up the middle. Tuttle had a huge game vs VaTech but he was playing with KMac who was getting D-teamed. Tuttle was killing his guy 1 on 1. From Bama on, the d got gashed wherever and whenever the Opponent wanted to.

I don't have a film breakdown to show you, so if you want to continue to think he sucks, have at it.
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So Tuttle had a "huge game" vs VaTech, in part because KMac was doubled allowing Shy to beat his man one on one? Lol. You sure about that?

Tuttle had 2 assisted tackles vs the Hokies. No solo tackles, no tfls, no sacks. Pick another example.

Nb4 you pull the "you don't know, understand the nuance of playing DT and tackles/tfls/sacks aren't that important" card.

And I don't think KMac "sucks". I think he's been a bit of a disappointment thus far given his billing and hype......and I certainly don't think opposing offenses went into games vs Tennessee this year scheming to account for KMac and trying to neutralize him with consistent double teams. Barnett was the ONLY player on our defense that demanded extra planning and attention from opposing offenses.
 
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Defensive tackles aren't supposed to be filling up the stat sheets. Especially not as underclasmen.

KMac has been fine and will just continue to get better.
 
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KBVol said:
I don't have a "narrative". The poster said he was "double teamed a lot". Is there any proof of that? I haven't "keyed in on him", and am wondering if the other poster has or did he just threw a statement out there?

KMac hasn't shown to be a productive player thus far....he hasn't even been able to crack the starting lineup outside of injury......so why would teams scheme to double team him? If there's evidence that says he was then I'll gladly stand corrected.
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I'm the poster in question and I did watch him specifically to see if he was being double teamed. Don't really care if you believe me or not, you spend most of the time on ignore for me anyway.
 
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Recruiting is funny. Why have all the coaches in tomorrow if you know where you're going?

I'm not saying he hasn't already decided, I just think it's funny.
 
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KBVol said:
So Tuttle had a "huge game" vs VaTech, in part because KMac was doubled allowing Shy to beat his man one on one? Lol. You sure about that?

Tuttle had 2 assisted tackles vs the Hokies. No solo tackles, no tfls, no sacks. Pick another example.

Nb4 you pull the "you don't know, understand the nuance of playing DT and tackles/tfls/sacks aren't that important" card.

And I don't think KMac "sucks". I think he's been a bit of a disappointment thus far given his billing and hype......and I certainly don't think opposing offenses went into games vs Tennessee this year scheming to account for KMac and trying to neutralize him with consistent double teams. Barnett was the ONLY player on our defense that demanded extra planning and attention from opposing offenses.
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You don't generally judge DT's based on counting stats since the impact they make isn't reflected in them. Tuttle did have a fumble recovery where he beat both Travon McMillan and Jerod Evans which is pretty tough for a 300lb guy. Also has a penchant for batting passes. If the both of them could put together a whole season teams would certainly game plan for them.
 
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