'18 AL DE Coynis Miller

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drvenner said:
Yes, I think we should offer. My opinion does not matter at all. If we don't offer, it will take me about 13 seconds to get over it. It is one thing to say he's not a good fit, or that we have other priorities. All of those are understandable and possible. But, if you question his character based upon the fact that we have not offered, then you should be questioning a helluva lot more kids' character. That is going too far without having any evidence to support it. I don't get too bent out of shape about any recruit because I cannot see the future. I don't know how anyone is going to work out and I do trust our coaches to make good evaluations. So, my advice to you, since you are so quick to give it to me, is for you to learn the difference between insulting a kid and stating an opinion. It might do you some good.
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Breakerboy had made it clear that he will attack and insult anyone who suggests that his assessment is wrong, so we are left to speculate on what, besides talent, has prevented the Vols from offering. BB attributes it to some combination of stupidity and laziness on the part of the coaching staff. Some of us don't believe that. So when you start looking at what the reason could be, and you list all possible reasons, character is one, grade problems is one, fit problem is one... It was asked, and if you have information to say, no, that's not it, then do so and the discussion is over. If you don't, then it isn't an unreasonable thing to ask (posit is probably a better term) and let someone closer to the situation respond. In the context of this conversation, I don't see how you think the poster was attacking the kid. I read it and thought he was positing an possible explanation, which is what people do when they don't understand a situation. On top of Breakerboy assaults on anyone that speculated to that the kid may not be as good as he thinks, this thread is left to do nothing but whine about coaches.
 
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BondJamesBond said:
Breakerboy had made it clear that he will attack and insult anyone who suggests that his assessment is wrong, so we are left to speculate on what, besides talent, has prevented the Vols from offering. BB attributes it to some combination of stupidity and laziness on the part of the coaching staff. Some of us don't believe that. So when you start looking at what the reason could be, and you list all possible reasons, character is one, grade problems is one, fit problem is one... It was asked, and if you have information to say, no, that's not it, then do so and the discussion is over. If you don't, then it isn't an unreasonable thing to ask (posit is probably a better term) and let someone closer to the situation respond. In the context of this conversation, I don't see how you think the poster was attacking the kid. I read it and thought he was positing an possible explanation, which is what people do when they don't understand a situation. On top of Breakerboy assaults on anyone that speculated to that the kid may not be as good as he thinks, this thread is left to do nothing but whine about coaches.
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Character isn't nearly a concern. His coaches love him......
 
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MwB said:
Hmmm... thanks for assuming.. go back and read this thread over if the light in the attic doesn't turn on.. "I can do nothing for you son"...
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Hmmm....I gave you another alternative. I also said that I don't know for sure. Hmmm....maybe you would like to have a link for the definition of assuming... I don't need you to do anything for me, son.
 
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BondJamesBond said:
Breakerboy had made it clear that he will attack and insult anyone who suggests that his assessment is wrong, so we are left to speculate on what, besides talent, has prevented the Vols from offering. BB attributes it to some combination of stupidity and laziness on the part of the coaching staff. Some of us don't believe that. So when you start looking at what the reason could be, and you list all possible reasons, character is one, grade problems is one, fit problem is one... It was asked, and if you have information to say, no, that's not it, then do so and the discussion is over. If you don't, then it isn't an unreasonable thing to ask (posit is probably a better term) and let someone closer to the situation respond. In the context of this conversation, I don't see how you think the poster was attacking the kid. I read it and thought he was positing an possible explanation, which is what people do when they don't understand a situation. On top of Breakerboy assaults on anyone that speculated to that the kid may not be as good as he thinks, this thread is left to do nothing but whine about coaches.
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I get your point. We all want to have all the information and almost none of us have any. I think BB is more passionate than insulting, but he could work on his delivery, some. If I knew a kid, and someone stated character might be an issue, I would also defend him pretty strongly. You made a reasonable answer, and I appreciate that.
 
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drvenner said:
I get your point. We all want to have all the information and almost none of us have any. I think BB is more passionate than insulting, but he could work on his delivery, some. If I knew a kid, and someone stated character might be an issue, I would also defend him pretty strongly. You made a reasonable answer, and I appreciate that.
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Pulling a character card on a kid bothers me. I don't work with uncoachable kids personally. I cut off a kid for the nonsense of bumping heads with a head coach on the regular. That's why suggesting a character flaw here bothers me.
 
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I actually agree with BB that this thread should be deleted and started over if we offer. BB will always defend his guy and so would all of us. BB is also a fantastic poster and Vol.

We are all bickering over nothing at this point and it is beginning to get ugly. I hope Coynis is a great kid and has a great career (maybe at UT if we offer and he loves what the sees). If he doesn't come here then I hope he has a great career at a school we don't play annually.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Pulling a character card on a kid bothers me. I don't work with uncoachable kids personally. I cut off a kid for the nonsense of bumping heads with a head coach on the regular. That's why suggesting a character flaw here bothers me.
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Yep. No reason for it. They're using hypothetical situations to defend not offering. Facts are, every school comes in late on a few kids that they shouldn't. Coynis appears to be that dude.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Yep. No reason for it. They're using hypothetical situations to defend not offering. Facts are, every school comes in late on a few kids that they shouldn't. Coynis appears to be that dude.
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My question is what is the guy recruiting this area doing? It doesn't hurt to offer. He's a fit for the defense. Clemson, LSU and Auburn and Michigan run a 4-3 defense. Alabama runs a 3-4. There is no fit problem. He fits the best defenses in America I'm sure he could play on our unit.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
My question is what is the guy recruiting this area doing? It doesn't hurt to offer. He's a fit for the defense. Clemson, LSU and Auburn and Michigan run a 4-3 defense. Alabama runs a 3-4. There is no fit problem. He fits the best defenses in America I'm sure he could play on our unit.
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See, that's what has led the whole thread down a rabbit hole. You ask why then respond negatively of flippant someone suggests a reason. I'm backing out if here because I think the coaches will do their job. The fact that some don't think they are doing it right and repeating it ad nauseum is not what I come to this site for. We all get that you disagree. Going on about it isn't changing anything. Y'all enjoy your Saturday. GBO
 
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The Breakerboy said:
My question is what is the guy recruiting this area doing? It doesn't hurt to offer. He's a fit for the defense. Clemson, LSU and Auburn and Michigan run a 4-3 defense. Alabama runs a 3-4. There is no fit problem. He fits the best defenses in America I'm sure he could play on our unit.
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I'm with you. I think many of us agree that Thigpen hasn't been effective as either a recruiter or developer since 2015. He seems to have missed here but oh well. I think we should move on unless things materialize.
 
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After watching his jr highlights he seems like an alright prospect nothing stands out really....too many highlights against terrible teams from the bham area how did he do against the better teams....his coach said he has potential but has to bring it every play and not just some plays when he feels like it....my suggestion to you BB is tweet out his film to the Tennessee staff bob welton, brady hoke, bob shoop, and the others in the recruiting office...then tell them something like he will be at Tennessee camp this summer....If you want him at UT badly help push him that way
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Pulling a character card on a kid bothers me. I don't work with uncoachable kids personally. I cut off a kid for the nonsense of bumping heads with a head coach on the regular. That's why suggesting a character flaw here bothers me.
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If there is a reason to not recruit a player, and posters are saying that the coaches and the administration should recruit that player, then the character card is a very good reason to let people why he is not being recruited.
 
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Or maybe BB is really high on a kid he is close to (as he should be and has every right to be) and UTs coaches aren't that high on him (as they have every right to be).

In 3-5 years, we'll know who was right. Hope, for the kids sake, it's BB.
 
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VolsnCards5 said:
Or maybe BB is really high on a kid he is close to (as he should be and has every right to be) and UTs coaches aren't that high on him (as they have every right to be).

In 3-5 years, we'll know who was right. Hope, for the kids sake, it's BB.
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Some big time schools are high on him outside of me.....
 
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Vols4life said:
After watching his jr highlights he seems like an alright prospect nothing stands out really....too many highlights against terrible teams from the bham area how did he do against the better teams....his coach said he has potential but has to bring it every play and not just some plays when he feels like it....my suggestion to you BB is tweet out his film to the Tennessee staff bob welton, brady hoke, bob shoop, and the others in the recruiting office...then tell them something like he will be at Tennessee camp this summer....If you want him at UT badly help push him that way
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If you watched him in games teams ran away from him all game most times. He has a play where he beat a double team and ran over a RB chipping him just to get a pressure on the QB running to the sideline. Against Ramsay he was punishing them early then they started running completely the other direction.

And I'm not pushing any kid anywhere first of all (Not my job or decision). Coaches don't want him and he has offers from programs that are better than us right now(just the truth no shade). He'll be fine....
 
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The Breakerboy said:
If you watched him in games teams ran away from him all game most times. He has a play where he beat a double team and ran over a RB chipping him just to get a pressure on the QB running to the sideline. Against Ramsay he was punishing them early then they started running completely the other direction.

And I'm not pushing any kid anywhere first of all (Not my job or decision). Coaches don't want him and he has offers from programs that are better than us right now(just the truth no shade). He'll be fine....
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I'll try and go watch JO play in either their spring or fall game...if you're not going to push the kid towards Tennessee then why do you care so much if UT offers or not? Tennessee hardly goes into Bham to recruit they're a East, South, and North Alabama...not too much central
 
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Vols4life said:
I'll try and go watch JO play in either their spring or fall game...if you're not going to push the kid towards Tennessee then why do you care so much if UT offers or not? Tennessee hardly goes into Bham to recruit they're a East, South, and North Alabama...not too much central
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That's my problem. They don't come here. Other teams do but we don't.

And why would I push a kid to a school of MY choice when it's his choice? I want us to be in on the best players overall. A kid like this shouldn't be left alone. I want us in on every top D-lineman we can get in on. In-state and out of state we need to go to work and pull the top guys to address needs with good players. Not just fits but the guys that have the potential to dominate anybody across from them.

He's at Bama for Junior Day today. Was at LSU last week and plans to see Clemson soon as well. Can't wait to see him at the next level personally.
 
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VolsnCards5 said:
Yea I know. For the kids sake, I hope you and those schools are right.
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It's on him. Lol He has to max out his potential and stay hungry. This year the goal is dominate every down like Barnett. That's what I want out of him. If he gets a crazy amount of TFLs I won't be surprised.
 
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