'18 NC RB Zamir White

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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Only Floyd was good. Others were non factors.
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If they lost 4 starters in which 3 weren't any good to begin with, how does that make a roster of their prior backups top 10?

Besides that, you're the one who said they brought back almost their entire starting defense, which wasn't true in the least. So the goalpost has been moved to say they weren't any good anyway. Few teams lose 7 out of 11 starters and are better for it.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I was going off of Rivals. And 2013 is his and Jones'. As 2010 was his and Kiffin.
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Even on rivals one of his personally classes was ranked outside of 15... I realize that, I was naming all the ones he recruited for. That 2013 was finishing outside of top 20 with or without him being fired
 
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Georgia lost Jenkins, Floyd, Ganus their 3 best Lb's. And then Kimborough who was pretty good too. But they returned basically their entire Secondary and some good pass rushers (Some consider them to have one of the top front 7's in the SEC this year... and that's from returning players not recruits that Smart got)
 
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Most of Kiffin and his players couldn't stand Dooley and basically quit on him towards the end of the season. Literally had no business losing to UK that year but none of the players wanted to be there or even make it a bowl game. Why do you think Dooley's classes got worse? Cause he ignored instate talent and detroyed local high school relationships. Dooley is not a very likeable guy and elite recruits didn't want to play for him.

At least now with Jones, they're interested in Tennessee again and we can actually land a few elite recruits here & there.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Who are the examples of unheralded players making plays all over for us?
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That's not what I said. I said there are many examples of our staff's great evaluations. Some we offered early or even had committed before other major schools came calling. Christmas-Giles was a great example. Labruzza, Bailey, and Shamburger started receiving much more interest from high level schools before they signed. Justin Fields is another example- people were disappointed he was our fall back when we missed on Lawrence and Jones.

But on our teams, you can start with Von Pearson, John Kelly, and Chance Hall. We will see how Brandon Johnson, Latrell Williams, and the DB's end up playing. It's never perfect, and they will make mistakes. But you can bet that a 3 star evaluation (even if low P5 offers) is much better than the 3 star players that Dooley got.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
If they lost 4 starters in which 3 weren't any good to begin with, how does that make a roster of their prior backups top 10?

Besides that, you're the one who said they brought back almost their entire starting defense, which wasn't true in the least. So the goalpost has been moved to say they weren't any good anyway. Few teams lose 7 out of 11 starters and are better for it.
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Dudes that came after them in Thompson and Ledbetter were better. Floyd couldn't be replaced but I didn't feel any of their linebackers were special and replaced by better guys. Richt left a stocked cupboard.

Offensively they were much better minus Theus and Malcolm Mitchell. 7 of 11 starters is misleading to argue. Count the difference makers lost and those added.
 
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cncchris33 said:
He withdrew from classes for Spring semester, so I assumed it was him that he was talking about.
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I didn't know he withdrew. I think what threw me for a loop was the article written on best DL duos recently on ESPN had him and Ledbetter listed. I thought that those goofballs would at least know if he was still in school.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
I didn't know he withdrew. I think what threw me for a loop was the article written on best DL duos recently on ESPN had him and Ledbetter listed. I thought that those goofballs would at least know if he was still in school.
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He may be back now. Not sure. Article I read just said he withdrew from Spring semester following a hospitalization and "medical issues".
 
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cncchris33 said:
He may be back now. Not sure. Article I read just said he withdrew from Spring semester following a hospitalization and "medical issues".
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A recent article said he would be back early summer. You hate to speculate, but had allegedly told police he took "two oxies" before being hospitalized, but the article said that he did not test positive for OxyContin. Sounded like an issue that they didn't want reported.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Dudes that came after them in Thompson and Ledbetter were better. Floyd couldn't be replaced but I didn't feel any of their linebackers were special and replaced by better guys. Richt left a stocked cupboard.

Offensively they were much better minus Theus and Malcolm Mitchell. 7 of 11 starters is misleading to argue. Count the difference makers lost and those added.
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If they were better they would've been starting in 2015. When did they improve? With another year of learning the system and maturing? If so, then they didn't return a better lineup until guys actually suited up in the fall and we saw what they could do. Teams are rarely deemed better after losing 70% on one side of the ball.

And how is 7 of 11 misleading? You explicitly said they returned their starting defense when they in fact did not. Now you're arguing the defensive guys under Smart were actually better players than the ones the year before under Richt, so losing them is irrelevant (despite the defense being slightly down from 2015). You've changed your argument at this point so I'm out.
 
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VolGee4 said:
A recent article said he would be back early summer. You hate to speculate, but had allegedly told police he took "two oxies" before being hospitalized, but the article said that he did not test positive for OxyContin. Sounded like an issue that they didn't want reported.
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Bad reaction to pain killers, already back, enrolled and good to go. He had shoulder surgery, think that hurts him in the draft when the medical part pokes at him, maybe he won't go all Rueben on them.
 
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secking said:
Bad reaction to pain killers, already back, enrolled and good to go. He had shoulder surgery, think that hurts him in the draft when the medical part pokes at him, maybe he won't go all Rueben on them.
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Yea, but why withdraw from school unless it's a lingering issue? It means he needed time away which does not signal a one time deal. Just logical to me.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
If they were better they would've been starting in 2015. When did they improve? With another year of learning the system and maturing? If so, then they didn't return a better lineup until guys actually suited up in the fall and we saw what they could do. Teams are rarely deemed better after losing 70% on one side of the ball.

And how is 7 of 11 misleading? You explicitly said they returned their starting defense when they in fact did not. Now you're arguing the defensive guys under Smart were actually better players than the ones the year before under Richt, so losing them is irrelevant (despite the defense being slightly down from 2015). You've changed your argument at this point so I'm out.
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What defensive starters did Smart recruit that produced as true freshmen?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
If they were better they would've been starting in 2015. When did they improve? With another year of learning the system and maturing? If so, then they didn't return a better lineup until guys actually suited up in the fall and we saw what they could do. Teams are rarely deemed better after losing 70% on one side of the ball.

And how is 7 of 11 misleading? You explicitly said they returned their starting defense when they in fact did not. Now you're arguing the defensive guys under Smart were actually better players than the ones the year before under Richt, so losing them is irrelevant (despite the defense being slightly down from 2015). You've changed your argument at this point so I'm out.
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To clarify. Richt was 2 games better than Smart with comparable talent and with Jack for QB. Richt won 10 in 2015. Smart won 8.

10 is greater than 2. The Georgia team in 2015 was better than the Georgia team in 2016. I believe Richt is a better coach than Kirby Smart.

Now, if you really want to discuss cheating, let's talk Clemson and that suck fest of a college and town.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
What defensive starters did Smart recruit that produced as true freshmen?
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I can't keep up with you. Is the goal to throw out random thoughts until the original point is no longer realized? No one is implying Smart's FR outperformed Richt's recruits that he inherited. I'm saying the 2016 defensive starters weren't better than the 2015 defensive starters who left. Hence, the defense was worse in 2016, despite Smart being a solid defensive mind.
 
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