'18 TN ATH Joseph Norwood

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Simonton said today on 104.5 the zone in Nashville that Norwood is a blue shirt.
 
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We didn’t even sign the numbers that we could. Why would you blue shirt anyone to count against next years class when this years isn’t full?
 
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JacketVol said:
What was done to the child who was raped (another boy) was so bad he almost died and his life will never be the same. I was so angry about it. If this kid was there, get rid of him period. He may not have had the power to stop it and may have feared it would happen to him if watching but if he participated in it then he is one sick puppy. Don't want him anywhere near this team. He doesn't get the privilege to do so.
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So, again, what was your position on Daniel Hood?
 
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SportsVol said:
Serious question. How did you feel about Daniel Hood?
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Honestly, I didn't know about Daniel Hood's situation. I didn't follow recruiting back then; cheered for my team but didn't know much about the individual players.

To answer your question though, they seem like completely different situations. Hood was a 14 year-old who didn't try to stop a 17 year-old from raping someone. He didn't actively participate. It's not acceptable but understandable if that makes sense. So, yes, I think he deserved a chance to show he could mature and learn from that awful experience.

The person in question in the Ooltewah case held down the victim so that a brutal rape could occur. If Norwood was a participant, then I don't feel like he deserves the chance to represent Tennessee.
 
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Kristy* said:
Honestly, I didn't know about Daniel Hood's situation. I didn't follow recruiting back then; cheered for my team but didn't know much about the individual players.

To answer your question though, they seem like completely different situations. Hood was a 14 year-old who didn't try to stop a 17 year-old from raping someone. He didn't actively participate. It's not acceptable but understandable if that makes sense. So, yes, I think he deserved a chance to show he could mature and learn from that awful experience.

The person in question in the Ooltewah case held down the victim so that a brutal rape could occur. If he was a participant, then I don't feel like he deserves the chance to represent Tennessee.
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You have your information wrong. Not only did Hood participate, the victim was his first cousin.
 
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butchna said:
You have your information wrong. Not only did Hood participate, the victim was his first cousin.
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Okay? This is all I went on. I'll look further.

Tennessee Volunteers offer Daniel Hood another chance

"I witnessed a brutal rape that I'm guilty of not being able to stop," said Hood, his eyes ripe with remorse. "I didn't participate in it, but I was in the room. I was there … and I didn't stop it."

"I feel terrible for her that all this is going to come back out again, that she's going to have to relive it," Hood said. "But when she told me that she supported me, I felt like that was the green light for me to pursue my dream."
 
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jason3713 said:
We didn’t even sign the numbers that we could. Why would you blue shirt anyone to count against next years class when this years isn’t full?
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JMO... I don’t think Pruitt has a grasp on all the rules and nuances of signing. I remember the bit about Helton telling him he couldn’t go in-home with a recruit more than once as a head coach and him being surprised.


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Kristy* said:
Okay? This is all I went on. I'll look further.

Tennessee Volunteers offer Daniel Hood another chance

"I witnessed a brutal rape that I'm guilty of not being able to stop," said Hood, his eyes ripe with remorse. "I didn't participate in it, but I was in the room. I was there … and I didn't stop it."

"I feel terrible for her that all this is going to come back out again, that she's going to have to relive it," Hood said. "But when she told me that she supported me, I felt like that was the green light for me to pursue my dream."
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Do yourself a favor and don’t look further. One of the most disturbing things I’ve ever read.
 
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I still don't understand how anyone knows any truth to this. Since he was a juvenile and those records are sealed. Seems like a lot of jumping to conclusions without knowing any real facts.
 
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DoolTool said:
Did Daniel Hood?
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Daniel was not in high school. He was a much younger kid who watched as a kid much older then him did a horrible thing. One could argue he was abused in a sense having to watch it. Bigger age difference between the parties involved and him not having the power over an older individual is my understanding of it. Daniel was 13 and the other guy was 17. Not excusing it but the age difference between that and a soph and senior in high school. Still was an uncomfortable situation for me to excuse for him as well. The victim vouched for him as well so was hard for me to say no when the victim herself felt it was ok. Wonder how the victim in this case feels toward Norwood. Also, if Norwood was not the one holding him down, then maybe all is differrent. I think some things need to be answered regardless.
 
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jason3713 said:
This whole thing was weird. Even the lead investigator got on the stand and said it was blown way out of proportion.

The DA tried to bring the officer up on charges because he didn’t come to the conclusion he wanted. I think allot of this was politically motivated after the fact.
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The kid that it happened to had to have very serious emergency surgery. I have no idea if Norwood was involved, but if he was, we can't let him play here, IMO.
 
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butchna said:
You have your information wrong. Not only did Hood participate, the victim was his first cousin.
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Both of you are off a little. He was 13 and did wrap her in duct tape but did not participate any further than that. Still, need more info on what happened and not sure with sealed records that it is not here say. What if he did not hold the victim down or what if he did. What really happened ect. It is all distasteful and I think the victims position is what would really matter but they may not wish to come forward.
 
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Kristy* said:
Okay? This is all I went on. I'll look further.

Tennessee Volunteers offer Daniel Hood another chance

"I witnessed a brutal rape that I'm guilty of not being able to stop," said Hood, his eyes ripe with remorse. "I didn't participate in it, but I was in the room. I was there … and I didn't stop it."

"I feel terrible for her that all this is going to come back out again, that she's going to have to relive it," Hood said. "But when she told me that sthe supported me, I felt like that was the green light for me to pursue my dream."
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Not to get into a semantics discussion with you Kristy, because it doesn’t apply in this case. Cleaning a Permanent Stain: A Fan'''s Struggle To Accept Daniel Hood | Bleacher Report

If Norwood is involved by holding the kid down, so is Hood by “helping” to wrap his cousin in duct tape.

Edit: FWIW Pruitt by no means should be bound by KIFFIN’S decision 9 years ago. But Hood ended up being an upright citizen and VFL.
 
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jason3713 said:
This whole thing was weird. Even the lead investigator got on the stand and said it was blown way out of proportion.

The DA tried to bring the officer up on charges because he didn’t come to the conclusion he wanted. I think allot of this was politically motivated after the fact.
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Interesting
 
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butchna said:
Not to get into a semantics discussion with you Kristy, because it doesn’t apply in this case. Cleaning a Permanent Stain: A Fan'''s Struggle To Accept Daniel Hood | Bleacher Report

If Norwood is involved by holding the kid down, so is Hood by “helping” to wrap his cousin in duct tape.
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Having a close family member who was abused as a child makes this all sick to me. The victim's feelings mean the most and you just wonder how intimidated the situations were. But a 13 and 15 year old know better but what power does another kid have over them. Could they fear it would happen to them if they didn't do stuff. It is all just messed up. I have a very hard time that either suited up.
 
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butchna said:
Not to get into a semantics discussion with you Kristy, because it doesn’t apply in this case. Cleaning a Permanent Stain: A Fan'''s Struggle To Accept Daniel Hood | Bleacher Report

If Norwood is involved by holding the kid down, so is Hood by “helping” to wrap his cousin in duct tape.
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Well, yes and no. It looks like Hood and the older friend had pulled a duct tape prank before, in which no one was raped. Maybe he thought it started off innocently. But, clearly based on the victim statement, Hood didn't helplessly sit by and watch, but rather he "covered" for his friend and possibly retrieved the weapon. Thus, I've changed my stance.
 
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Kristy* said:
Well, yes and no. It looks like Hood and the older friend had pulled a duct tape prank before, in which no one was raped. Maybe he thought it started off innocently. But, clearly based on the victim statement, Hood didn't helplessly sit by and watch, but rather he "covered" for his friend and possibly retrieved the weapon. Thus, I've changed my stance.
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Trying to find reason in madness is spinning your wheels at best.
 
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Kristy* said:
Honestly, I didn't know about Daniel Hood's situation. I didn't follow recruiting back then; cheered for my team but didn't know much about the individual players.

To answer your question though, they seem like completely different situations. Hood was a 14 year-old who didn't try to stop a 17 year-old from raping someone. He didn't actively participate. It's not acceptable but understandable if that makes sense. So, yes, I think he deserved a chance to show he could mature and learn from that awful experience.

The person in question in the Ooltewah case held down the victim so that a brutal rape could occur. If Norwood was a participant, then I don't feel like he deserves the chance to represent Tennessee.
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Thanks for your response. I live in Knoxville and have practiced a little juvenile law in my time. There are reasons juvenile cases are sealed and this is one of those reasons. Like me, I suspect all you have is newspaper reports and second hand information to reach an opinion and only one blogger reporting names. Seriously doubting you have the whole picture here nor should you. I know I don’t. The alleged perpetrators could have served time in a correctional facility if guilty of what they were accused. Apparently, Norwood, if involved did not. That in itself should be telling.

Should Norwood wear orange. I don’t know. What happened in Gatlinburg was horrible but let’s not condemn someone based on rumors and innuendo.

Btw, Butchna has correctly characterized the Hood situation.

Thanks for replying.
 
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jason3713 said:
This whole thing was weird. Even the lead investigator got on the stand and said it was blown way out of proportion.

The DA tried to bring the officer up on charges because he didn’t come to the conclusion he wanted. I think allot of this was politically motivated after the fact.
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What are you saying was politically motivated? Do you know what they did to the victim? I am not going to put it on here, but it has been widely reported. The coaches got into a great deal of trouble because they did not inform DCS when they discovered it happened. The Gatlinburg detective should have been fired. He clearly did not do his job. The victim had serious, emergency surgery. That is not something that led to politically-motivated charges being filed.
 
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Sorry, editing my original post as I just read the story.

If he was one of the 3 kids in the story I just read, he has no business being a Vol.
 
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jason3713 said:
We didn’t even sign the numbers that we could. Why would you blue shirt anyone to count against next years class when this years isn’t full?
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We might still end up adding a few more guys but if we don’t, the guys that we’re blue shirting will count on the 2018 class
 
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