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de1conley said:
Doesn't matter who it was under or none of that because Hernandez didn't kill anyone while playing at Fla. All we were saying is that it goes on everywhere just different magnitudes. BUT since you want to point fingers like that Janzen killed his mom boyfriend he's a killer too. LL killed a lady drunk driving. So jist stop all that. Its silly
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This is incorrect. Hernandez and Reggie Nelson did in fact kill someone while they were players at UF. After a bar fight involving Hernandez, Nelson and a couple of other UF players, they were all kicked out of the bar in Gainesville. 20 Minutes later one of the guys that was involved in the fight with the UF players was found shot in the back of the head in his car in the back of the parking lot of the bar. The bouncer that broke up the fight and was injured in the fight (A damaged ear, and got a $600,000 payoff-settlement). The bouncer had originally told the cops that UF players were involved in the fight and that he was pretty sure one of those guys in the barfight was Hernandez. A few days later after his 600k settlement he retracted his statement and said he was not really sure if he could positively confirm that it was Hernandez that was involved in the fight.

This is not just heresay, this case was looked into by the prosecution team against Hernandez in his case up in Boston and they tried to show enough circumstantial evidence to show that Hernandez had a pattern, had people cover up stuff for him and accused him of being a serial killer that had killed several people before.

The lawyer that paid the bouncer the 600k settlement for his injuries is the same lawyer that Meyer and UF have used to settle all of the legal issues that UF players were involved in for years. Go look him up. Also why would that lawyer give the bouncer a 600k settlement if UF players weren't involved?

What about the 9 UF players huddled up in the bathroom hiding from campus police after they were shooting windows across the dorm complex with un registered and scratched off-serial numbers on two Ak-47's (those guns were later identified to have been used in some gang related murders)? Remember those guys? Remember how only the 2 UF players that lived in that dorm room were the ones that got prosecuted and ended up being responsible for this even though campus police found 9 UF players hiding in the bathroom together? Did Meyer suspend or even discipline any of the players?

Remember Ray McDonald? The UF player that had been arrested twice for sexual assault charges but both cases dropped (same UF lawyer). Then he was tested positive for PED's and was going to be suspended for 4 games but Meyer was able to get his hearing pushed back to the Monday after the UT game in which "Ray" missed the first 2 hearings for what i can only assume were made up lies. He made his hearing on Monday after the UT game though and was suspended for next 4 games by the NCAA though. Do we need to put his career felonies on record? Gee i wonder why this guy got off on 2 sexual assault charges at Florida, but hes been found guilty of how many since his days at Florida?

On May 25, 2014, police arrived at McDonald's residence in response to a 911 call. A police report from that night states that an engaged couple "were in an argument when the female subject became upset, grabbed a firearm (handgun) registered to the male subject, and held it at her side. When the male subject informed the female subject that he was going to call 911, the female subject put the firearm away and fled without incident. The female subject did not make any threats or point the firearm at the male subject."[11]

Three months later on August 31, 2014, police were again called to McDonald's residence. According to an unnamed police source, McDonald's fiancée showed authorities bruises on her arm and neck that she sustained in an alleged altercation with McDonald. The San Jose police department released a brief statement to the media shortly afterward saying that she did have visible injuries.[12] McDonald was then arrested on suspicion of domestic violence. No formal charges were filed by the Santa Clara County District Attorney for either incident.[13][14]

In December 2014, the San Francisco 49ers terminated McDonald just hours after he was named as a suspect in another sexual assault investigation.[15] San Jose Police Sexual Assaults and Investigation Unit searched McDonald's home, as part of the investigation. He was formally indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault on August 27, 2015.[16] Charged with rape by intoxication, McDonald was arrested and then released after posting $100,000 bail.[17]

On May 25, 2015, McDonald was arrested once again on suspicion of domestic violence and possible child endangerment.[18] On May 27, 2015, McDonald was arrested again, just two days after the prior arrest, for violating a restraining order.[19] In July, he was charged with domestic violence, felony false imprisonment, child endangerment, and violating a court order.[20]

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Imagine how many women and families whose lives have been affected and had to deal with this scumbag if Meyer didn't cover up everything for his players?

Do i need to talk about the Cam Newton academic cover up and cheating stuff?

What about Jamar Hornsby? How many times was he arrested at UF? This was the guy that stole the Credit cards of the walk-on UF player and his GF that died on a motorcyle crash near campus. The night they had died Jamar came over to help out Joe Haden who was best friends and roommates with the UF walk on that died, and he stole a CC and a gas card and used them that same night and continued to for 6 months! Did Urban suspend him or kick him off the team like any normal coach would have? Anyhow, Horsby got in trouble so many times even after that incident that it was until the 2009 season which was the year that Meyer "retired" for health reasons because the National Media was starting to catch on to the fact that Urban was running a prison rehabilitation program down at UF. He could not overlook Hornsby's latest arrest, Cam's last final academic cheating hearing on top of all the things that had been going on the past 4 years.

How many times has Jamar Horsby been arrested now, i've lost count. How many people's lives has he affected?

How many Percy Harvin bar fights that never went to court? The Chris Rainey death threats? The DUI's and driving on suspended licenses by one of the Pouncey brothers? The 300 parking tickets by the Pounceys? All brushed under the rug by that same UF Lawyer.

I can go on and on if you want to go down this road, there are a ton more of UF players that got into tons of legal trouble while Meyer was coaching at UF. We can go over the arrests, the penalties that Meyer gave them, and how many times they got into trouble while at UF. Do you want me to go there, because this will be a long but entertaining debate.

deConley1, don't try to dismiss Urban's lack of ethics and morality as something that all coaches in college do. He is a scumbag and he is as dirty as they come. If you think that Butch Jones, Phillip Fulmer and a ton of other coaches that aren't UT coaches but are still good men that would behave and run programs like Urban....well i don't know what to say.

Have you wondered why Florida didn't have that many thugs and legal problems in the previous years under Spurrier and Zook, and post years of Muschamp and Jim Mcelwain? Yet over 40 arrests that led to convictions, and how many arrests that were dropped? I don't see anything like that happening at UF now.

If your response to UF not having much legal troubles pre and post Urban Meyer and talk about the lack of success and championships, and use the notion that winning at all costs justifies recruiting a bunch of thugs and criminals and letting them get away with crimes just so you can win another football game, well i don't know what to say about your morality and ethics.

I am not some morality bible thumper type person for the record. I know and realize that recruiting is pretty dirty and all the good coaches work in the grey areas, and i'm ok with that. It is however, an entirely different type of cheating and lack of ethics and morality when you know some of your best football players are horrible human beings and thugs that are breaking the law continuously and you keep on covering up for them. That is an entirely different type of cheating and in my mind that almost makes Urban an accomplice. He knew wtf was going on with some of these guys and he turned a blind eye to all of it and in some cases covered up things or had them pay out of court settlements.
 
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de1conley said:
Not obsessed at all just get tired of all the bias Butchna. Ppl still screaming SEC when its an avg league now with 1 great team. Ppl saying CBJ would win the BIG10 is a joke. Neither Vandy nor USCe could win the BIG10. He wouldn't beat Penn st, Mich, Mich St, or tOSU. This is crazy that ppl continue to think the conference still reign supreme, and its just not true. Its Alabama and the rest. A bunch of 8-4, 7-5, 6-6 teams. Amd before its said I'm not saying others are much better but the playing field is leveling off real fast. ACC and BIG10 hv gained a lot of ground
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I agree with your premise but here's the rest of the conferences.

BIG = 1 great team. 2 really good teams. 1 good team. Bunch of crap.

PAC = 1 great team. 2 really good teams. Couple good teams and bunch of crap.

12 = 1 maybe 2 really good teams. Couple good teams and a pile of 💩.

ACC = 2 great teams. 2 really good teams. 1 good team and crap.

SEC = 1 great team. 3 really good teams. 3 good teams and some crap.

ACC is only comparable conference imo.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I agree with your premise but here's the rest of the conferences.

BIG = 1 great team. 2 really good teams. 1 good team. Bunch of crap.

PAC = 1 great team. 2 really good teams. Couple good teams and bunch of crap.

12 = 1 maybe 2 really good teams. Couple good teams and a pile of 💩.

ACC = 2 great teams. 2 really good teams. 1 good team and crap.

SEC = 1 great team. 3 really good teams. 3 good teams and some crap.

ACC is only comparable conference imo.
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I'd say 3 really good teams in the Big 10. PSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin. I'm also curious as to who the 3 really good teams are in the SEC. I'm assuming they are all coming from the West.
 
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Lol at the idea of Meyer being able to evaluate character. He has none, so he has no clue what it looks like. Expecting him to keep track of the thugs he recruited is too lofty an expectation. He couldn't even keep his assistant coaches out of the bedroom with his wife.

All of that said he's an offensive genius which several NFL teams have consulted with. Anyone that believes he's just the product of coordinators under him running his system is delusional.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Lol at the idea of Meyer being able to evaluate character. He has none, so he has no clue what it looks like. Expecting him to keep track of the thugs he recruited is too lofty an expectation. He couldn't even keep his assistant coaches out of the bedroom with his wife.

All of that said he's an offensive genius which several NFL teams have consulted with. Anyone that believes he's just the product of coordinators under him running his system is delusional.
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thank you Chad I said this and ppl have an agenda and try to say otherwise.
 
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How much does it cost rival coaches for you to..umm..give your honest opinion about how great they are..like you said "If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin"
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I agree with your premise but here's the rest of the conferences.

BIG = 1 great team. 2 really good teams. 1 good team. Bunch of crap.

PAC = 1 great team. 2 really good teams. Couple good teams and bunch of crap.

12 = 1 maybe 2 really good teams. Couple good teams and a pile of 💩.

ACC = 2 great teams. 2 really good teams. 1 good team and crap.

SEC = 1 great team. 3 really good teams. 3 good teams and some crap.

ACC is only comparable conference imo.
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lets put names in the categories instead of numbers. Btw Big12 is a 1 team league, Pac12 has good teams not sure any team has been consistent enough to call them great or really good.
SEC 1 great team 0 really good teams, 6 good teams that are avg, and then 5 blah teams
 
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de1conley said:
lets put names in the categories instead of numbers. Btw Big12 is a 1 team league, Pac12 has good teams not sure any team has been consistent enough to call them great or really good.
SEC 1 great team 0 really good teams, 6 good teams that are avg, and then 5 blah teams
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I would still put Stanford in that really good category. They have won 10+ 5 out of the last 6 years. Won 2 out of 3 Rose Bowls then too.
 
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chandler bing said:
This is incorrect. Hernandez and Reggie Nelson did in fact kill someone while they were players at UF. After a bar fight involving Hernandez, Nelson and a couple of other UF players, they were all kicked out of the bar in Gainesville. 20 Minutes later one of the guys that was involved in the fight with the UF players was found shot in the back of the head in his car in the back of the parking lot of the bar. The bouncer that broke up the fight and was injured in the fight (A damaged ear, and got a $600,000 payoff-settlement). The bouncer had originally told the cops that UF players were involved in the fight and that he was pretty sure one of those guys in the barfight was Hernandez. A few days later after his 600k settlement he retracted his statement and said he was not really sure if he could positively confirm that it was Hernandez that was involved in the fight.

This is not just heresay, this case was looked into by the prosecution team against Hernandez in his case up in Boston and they tried to show enough circumstantial evidence to show that Hernandez had a pattern, had people cover up stuff for him and accused him of being a serial killer that had killed several people before.

The lawyer that paid the bouncer the 600k settlement for his injuries is the same lawyer that Meyer and UF have used to settle all of the legal issues that UF players were involved in for years. Go look him up. Also why would that lawyer give the bouncer a 600k settlement if UF players weren't involved?

What about the 9 UF players huddled up in the bathroom hiding from campus police after they were shooting windows across the dorm complex with un registered and scratched off-serial numbers on two Ak-47's (those guns were later identified to have been used in some gang related murders)? Remember those guys? Remember how only the 2 UF players that lived in that dorm room were the ones that got prosecuted and ended up being responsible for this even though campus police found 9 UF players hiding in the bathroom together? Did Meyer suspend or even discipline any of the players?

Remember Ray McDonald? The UF player that had been arrested twice for sexual assault charges but both cases dropped (same UF lawyer). Then he was tested positive for PED's and was going to be suspended for 4 games but Meyer was able to get his hearing pushed back to the Monday after the UT game in which "Ray" missed the first 2 hearings for what i can only assume were made up lies. He made his hearing on Monday after the UT game though and was suspended for next 4 games by the NCAA though. Do we need to put his career felonies on record? Gee i wonder why this guy got off on 2 sexual assault charges at Florida, but hes been found guilty of how many since his days at Florida?

On May 25, 2014, police arrived at McDonald's residence in response to a 911 call. A police report from that night states that an engaged couple "were in an argument when the female subject became upset, grabbed a firearm (handgun) registered to the male subject, and held it at her side. When the male subject informed the female subject that he was going to call 911, the female subject put the firearm away and fled without incident. The female subject did not make any threats or point the firearm at the male subject."[11]

Three months later on August 31, 2014, police were again called to McDonald's residence. According to an unnamed police source, McDonald's fiancée showed authorities bruises on her arm and neck that she sustained in an alleged altercation with McDonald. The San Jose police department released a brief statement to the media shortly afterward saying that she did have visible injuries.[12] McDonald was then arrested on suspicion of domestic violence. No formal charges were filed by the Santa Clara County District Attorney for either incident.[13][14]

In December 2014, the San Francisco 49ers terminated McDonald just hours after he was named as a suspect in another sexual assault investigation.[15] San Jose Police Sexual Assaults and Investigation Unit searched McDonald's home, as part of the investigation. He was formally indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault on August 27, 2015.[16] Charged with rape by intoxication, McDonald was arrested and then released after posting $100,000 bail.[17]

On May 25, 2015, McDonald was arrested once again on suspicion of domestic violence and possible child endangerment.[18] On May 27, 2015, McDonald was arrested again, just two days after the prior arrest, for violating a restraining order.[19] In July, he was charged with domestic violence, felony false imprisonment, child endangerment, and violating a court order.[20]

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Imagine how many women and families whose lives have been affected and had to deal with this scumbag if Meyer didn't cover up everything for his players?

Do i need to talk about the Cam Newton academic cover up and cheating stuff?

What about Jamar Hornsby? How many times was he arrested at UF? This was the guy that stole the Credit cards of the walk-on UF player and his GF that died on a motorcyle crash near campus. The night they had died Jamar came over to help out Joe Haden who was best friends and roommates with the UF walk on that died, and he stole a CC and a gas card and used them that same night and continued to for 6 months! Did Urban suspend him or kick him off the team like any normal coach would have? Anyhow, Horsby got in trouble so many times even after that incident that it was until the 2009 season which was the year that Meyer "retired" for health reasons because the National Media was starting to catch on to the fact that Urban was running a prison rehabilitation program down at UF. He could not overlook Hornsby's latest arrest, Cam's last final academic cheating hearing on top of all the things that had been going on the past 4 years.

How many times has Jamar Horsby been arrested now, i've lost count. How many people's lives has he affected?

How many Percy Harvin bar fights that never went to court? The Chris Rainey death threats? The DUI's and driving on suspended licenses by one of the Pouncey brothers? The 300 parking tickets by the Pounceys? All brushed under the rug by that same UF Lawyer.

I can go on and on if you want to go down this road, there are a ton more of UF players that got into tons of legal trouble while Meyer was coaching at UF. We can go over the arrests, the penalties that Meyer gave them, and how many times they got into trouble while at UF. Do you want me to go there, because this will be a long but entertaining debate.

deConley1, don't try to dismiss Urban's lack of ethics and morality as something that all coaches in college do. He is a scumbag and he is as dirty as they come. If you think that Butch Jones, Phillip Fulmer and a ton of other coaches that aren't UT coaches but are still good men that would behave and run programs like Urban....well i don't know what to say.

Have you wondered why Florida didn't have that many thugs and legal problems in the previous years under Spurrier and Zook, and post years of Muschamp and Jim Mcelwain? Yet over 40 arrests that led to convictions, and how many arrests that were dropped? I don't see anything like that happening at UF now.

If your response to UF not having much legal troubles pre and post Urban Meyer and talk about the lack of success and championships, and use the notion that winning at all costs justifies recruiting a bunch of thugs and criminals and letting them get away with crimes just so you can win another football game, well i don't know what to say about your morality and ethics.

I am not some morality bible thumper type person for the record. I know and realize that recruiting is pretty dirty and all the good coaches work in the grey areas, and i'm ok with that. It is however, an entirely different type of cheating and lack of ethics and morality when you know some of your best football players are horrible human beings and thugs that are breaking the law continuously and you keep on covering up for them. That is an entirely different type of cheating and in my mind that almost makes Urban an accomplice. He knew wtf was going on with some of these guys and he turned a blind eye to all of it and in some cases covered up things or had them pay out of court settlements.
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Best post in this thread and in many other threads, too. Thank you. I have also noticed that de1 has chosen, to this point, not to respond to your post. I guess that facts do get in the way of the agenda of some people.
 
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de1conley said:
Thats neither here not there facts are he was there. He's a top 3 HC in america probably #2 so ppl get over it. Like i sais before outside of Bama/Saban the SEC is very average with a bunch of hs coaches who are running avg programs. tOSU would probably hv 1 tough game if they played UT schedule and that's Alabama
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I was going to answer this but since you now have so much love for the Big 10 it would be like busting my nuts with a brick over and over again. They under perform when OOC over and over again from top to bottom.
 
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de1conley said:
Not obsessed at all just get tired of all the bias Butchna. Ppl still screaming SEC when its an avg league now with 1 great team. Ppl saying CBJ would win the BIG10 is a joke. Neither Vandy nor USCe could win the BIG10. He wouldn't beat Penn st, Mich, Mich St, or tOSU. This is crazy that ppl continue to think the conference still reign supreme, and its just not true. Its Alabama and the rest. A bunch of 8-4, 7-5, 6-6 teams. Amd before its said I'm not saying others are much better but the playing field is leveling off real fast. ACC and BIG10 hv gained a lot of ground
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The conference beats up itself and you know it. I guess having so many more kids drafted in the SEC also means they are weaker. Even last year, the SEC dominated the draft.
 
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