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butchna said:
Never was impressed with Bajakian’s playcalling. DeBord was better. Bajakian is a QB coach.
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I don't think he's doing a great job as qb coach either considering winston seems to have regressed in Tampa.
 
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butchna said:
Never was impressed with Bajakian’s playcalling. DeBord was better. Bajakian is a QB coach.
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I would have liked to have seen him with a full yr with dobbs. Offense was pretty explosive and hitting its stride that last half of that season then Jake left. He really seemed to do well with multiple plays out of that Pearson jet sweep
 
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butchna said:
Sounds like Kaepernick...Vince Young...Mark Sanchez. Every one of their QB coaches inept?
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Kaepernick got worse when Harbaugh left. Looked pretty good with good coaching though. Vince had Jeff Fisher who almost ruined the careers of the 2 QBs in the NFC championship game last year too. They looked way better after Fisher. I bet Vince would've had a much different career with a different coach. Never thought Sanchez was very good and didn't have to be on those jets teams, but no I wouldn't say he received good coaching there.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
I would have liked to have seen him with a full yr with dobbs. Offense was pretty explosive and hitting its stride that last half of that season then Jake left. He really seemed to do well with multiple plays out of that Pearson jet sweep
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Used that sweep WAY too much imo. :pinch: Almost got Pig decapitatad. Didn’t know Pearson was here the same time as Coach Jake.
 
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Sleegro said:
Kaepernick got worse when Harbaugh left. Looked pretty good with good coaching though. Vince had Jeff Fisher who almost ruined the careers of the 2 QBs in the NFC championship game last year too. They looked way better after Fisher. I bet Vince would've had a much different career with a different coach. Never thought Sanchez was very good and didn't have to be on those jets teams, but no I wouldn't say he received good coaching there.
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Kap’s regression had started well before Harbaugh left and was a major reason for it. Norman Chow had/has a stellar rep developing QB’s...another one you have to put on the QB and Sanchez led Jets teams to playoff wins...including against Peyton. He regressed. QB’s have to keep reinventing because opposing DC’s are constantly adjusting and monitoring their tendencies. That’s why the Brady’s, Manning’s and Rodgers stay great...regardless of their QB coach.
 
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butchna said:
Kap’s regression had started well before Harbaugh left and was a major reason for it. Norman Chow had/has a stellar rep developing QB’s...another one you have to put on the QB and Sanchez led Jets teams to playoff wins...including against Peyton. He regressed. QB’s have to keep reinventing because opposing DC’s are constantly adjusting and monitoring their tendencies. That’s why the Brady’s, Manning’s and Rodgers stay great...regardless of their QB coach.
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And winston started better than all 3 of those guys. I'm just not sold on coach jake. But I don't really agree with all those. Kap maybe. Chow could not overcome Jeff Fisher and had never really coached a Vince young type QB. Bad fit. Sanchez won games like dilfer won games. With defense. He was never very good. Maybe with better coaching he would have improved. I agree some of it is on the players too, but rex and Fisher were objectively bad for QBs. And kap probably never even starts a game without Harbaugh. To be fair I've never been super happy with the winston pick but he did have a pretty productive first year and most of my reservations were due to off field garbage.
 
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butchna said:
Kap’s regression had started well before Harbaugh left and was a major reason for it. Norman Chow had/has a stellar rep developing QB’s...another one you have to put on the QB and Sanchez led Jets teams to playoff wins...including against Peyton. He regressed. QB’s have to keep reinventing because opposing DC’s are constantly adjusting and monitoring their tendencies. That’s why the Brady’s, Manning’s and Rodgers stay great...regardless of their QB coach.
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Good points.

I remember Pete Carroll trying to talk Sanchez out going in to the draft early. A lot of people said it was just Pete wanting to keep his QB another year for his purposes. Pete was right, Sanchez was nowhere near ready.
 
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Sleegro said:
And winston started better than all 3 of those guys. I'm just not sold on coach jake. But I don't really agree with all those. Kap maybe. Chow could not overcome Jeff Fisher and had never really coached a Vince young type QB. Bad fit. Sanchez won games like dilfer won games. With defense. He was never very good. Maybe with better coaching he would have improved. I agree some of it is on the players too, but rex and Fisher were objectively bad for QBs. And kap probably never even starts a game without Harbaugh. To be fair I've never been super happy with the winston pick but he did have a pretty productive first year and most of my reservations were due to off field garbage.
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I started this by stating that I wasn’t impressed with Bajakian as a playcaller. That being said, I’m not a champion of his prowess as a QB coach...but I’m open minded. There’s a reason great QB’s aren’t identified by their QB coach...it’s on themselves. A QB coach is a sounding board...practically a caddy. Put Bajakian with Jared Goff and be amazed at the results! :eek:hmy:
 
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butchna said:
Kap’s regression had started well before Harbaugh left and was a major reason for it. Norman Chow had/has a stellar rep developing QB’s...another one you have to put on the QB and Sanchez led Jets teams to playoff wins...including against Peyton. He regressed. QB’s have to keep reinventing because opposing DC’s are constantly adjusting and monitoring their tendencies. That’s why the Brady’s, Manning’s and Rodgers stay great...regardless of their QB coach.
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There are also plenty of examples of QBs improving with the right coach. Foles and Keenum were 2 I mentioned before. Matt ryan was good then under Kyle shannahan was great then shannahan leaves and he's just good again.
 
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butchna said:
I started this by stating that I wasn’t impressed with Bajakian as a playcaller. That being said, I’m not a champion of his prowess as a QB coach...but I’m open minded. There’s a reason great QB’s aren’t identified by their QB coach...it’s on themselves. A QB coach is a sounding board...practically a caddy. Put Bajakian with Jared Goff and be amazed at the results! :eek:hmy:
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Yeah I just don't think he's shown much yet.
 
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Sleegro said:
There are also plenty of examples of QBs improving with the right coach. Foles and Keenum were 2 I mentioned before. Matt ryan was good then under Kyle shannahan was great then shannahan leaves and he's just good again.
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Was that more a byproduct of Shanahan being a better PLAYCALLER than SARKISIAN?
 
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What do Brady, Manning and Rodgers all have in common (no racism please) that Kap, Young and Sanchez did not? Nothing to do with physical skill set - it's their brains. The ability to analyze and process information very quickly that enables them to make good decisions.
 
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Vols4us said:
What do Brady, Manning and Rodgers all have in common (no racism please) that Kap, Young and Sanchez did not? Nothing to do with physical skill set - it's their brains. The ability to analyze and process information very quickly that enables them to make good decisions.
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Zactamundo! No coach affects that.
 
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butchna said:
Name a QB coach with a mediocre talent that has.
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You may be right. Maybe I'm too hard on coach jake but I haven't seen any evidence that he is a good qb coach which is what you originally said that started this discussion. It's just semantics at this point which will probably annoy other posters so I'll stop arguing. I just haven't seen evidence that he is good. And maybe winston isn't evidence he's bad. But I don't think it shows he's good.
 
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Sleegro said:
You may be right. Maybe I'm too hard on coach jake but I haven't seen any evidence that he is a good qb coach which is what you originally said that started this discussion. It's just semantics at this point which will probably annoy other posters so I'll stop arguing. I just haven't seen evidence that he is good. And maybe winston isn't evidence he's bad. But I don't think it shows he's good.
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Never said he was a good one...read it again. Don’t think any of us can tell the difference when it’s pro level. College? Yeah...a bad QB coach shows up ugly. When you make it to the league the QB coach is more like a college RB coach. It’s more about personal relationship. Aaron Rodgers latest discontent with the Packers includes them firing his QB coach. Wanna take some action on his performance dipping with whomever they throw at him? Not a chance. :)
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
I would have liked to have seen him with a full yr with dobbs. Offense was pretty explosive and hitting its stride that last half of that season then Jake left. He really seemed to do well with multiple plays out of that Pearson jet sweep
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That option play with Pearson coming in motion from the slot was almost unstoppable...Dobbs could hand it to Pearson, Hurd, keep it, or throw it. I honestly felt like we didn’t run it enough. However, I’m pretty sure we ran that with Debord. Only ran the jet sweep with Jake.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
That option play with Pearson coming in motion from the slot was almost unstoppable...Dobbs could hand it to Pearson, Hurd, keep it, or throw it. I honestly felt like we didn’t run it enough. However, I’m pretty sure we ran that with Debord.
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It got stopped plenty...against good teams.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I don't think working with guys a few days during the summer is going to help anybody that much..it didn't do much for Dobbs. They need a real QB coach that has eyes and hands on the whole year. Great QB coaches like Cutcliff make meh players good, and good players great, and great players into legends.
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Well said. 👍
 
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