19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

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05_never_again said:
It's what @1vol8 said - ARs are the low hanging fruit. Mass shooters don't use them because they are more dangerous than any other gun - they use them because they are popular. These mass shootings could just as easily be done with handguns, shotguns, or other rifles.
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The real issue is the AR15 is the most popular rifle in the world. If you have a gun collection, it likely started with an AR. Most modern gun owners have several in their collections. That being said it’s easy to get your hands on one if you want it bad enough. An AR is never too far away.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Possibly. Even though I’m not a LEO if I saw a child in mortal danger and had a chance to act and shield them I’d like to think I would spring to take action. To you point until in that situation you just don’t know.

A long time ago when I was a kid I got my father to briefly talk about combat he only did it a few times with me he simply had no desire to think back to it. He was a WWII vet. The gist of the talk was…

You have absolutely no idea how you or the guy next to you will respond until you come under fire. Train all you want. But until it is really life or death your brain will parse the difference.
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Basically this and ive heard the same thing, my brother in law used to be in the Marines, hes been over seas and seen and done some things. He said one time some of the guys who seemed the strongest turned into the weakest, and vice versa. You just dont know until you know.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm not going to argue semantics with you. The stats are what they are.

Where did Hog specifically say spree shootings as defined by BB? So, once again, he was not "dead wrong" as you proclaimed.
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Yes, he was. I have cited 6 such shooting sprees which involved an AR-15. He said they were seldom-used in such attacks.
 
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1vol8 said:
I don’t understand the thinking on how to prevent school shootings from your side. Teachers have never been armed, ex military personnel has never been used. All your side can do is talk about “what if” to argue the point. Instead your “solutions” are more gun control when the places being shot up are gun free zones. Y’all want to do nothing because something in your head is telling you the gun free policy is working? I understand that being a democrat is only possible with a lack of common sense but for the love of god I wish you all would wake up! This is the very definition of insanity to keep trying the same things expecting different results. At this point you all have to ask yourselves “what do we have to lose?” because y’all’s way is not freaking working! And meanwhile more kids are dying with your “experimental” bs. The experiment is over. More guns = less crime no matter where you look. The faster democrats recognize that, the safer we all will be
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What is my side? Gun control? Wtf are you talking about?
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Go check out Virginia Tech from 09. The Santa Fe TX school shooter used a 12 guage. Columbine wasnt. Boston marathon wasnt. Oklahoma City wasnt. The Charleston church shooting wasnt. I could keep going but I think you get the point. The media wants you to think its the AR but its really not.
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We are talking about shootings... not bombings. Get a clue.

I can still name more, where an AR 15 used.
 
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allvol123 said:
Is your angle this is planned at a higher level?
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Why do I have to have an angle?

It's not an "angle" that the media chooses times to report on many of these things to create certain feelings. It's also not an "angle" that there are proven cases where federal agents have tried to set people up and things got out of hand. These are just true. At some point the "incompetence" has to become something that is addressed.
 
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05_never_again said:
Personally I'm surprised gun grabbers don't focus more on handguns since they are very easily concealed and, of course, can be just as deadly as AR-15s or other rifles.
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With few exceptions a "pistol" is pretty much a pistol and has changed very little in appearance over time. These rifles falling under "military style" are much easier to demonize due to, among the ignorant or skittish, just plain "looking" dangerous to them. Nevermind that if a semi-auto centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine was all it took to give these people a case of the vapors then Winchester had those on sale to US civilians well over 100 years ago and over 3 decades ahead of the first weapon to be considered an actual "assault rifle", the STG 44.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Why do I have to have an angle?

It's not an "angle" that the media chooses times to report on many of these things to create certain feelings. It's also not an "angle" that there are proven cases where federal agents have tried to set people up and things got out of hand. These are just true. At some point the "incompetence" has to become something that is addressed.
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“Believe” is that better? It was not intended as a trick or accusation.

Do you believe this is planned at a higher level?
 
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ButchPlz said:
Yes it was.
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And if I’m not mistaken, still the most deadly in history? Can’t remember how many died.

Edit: Yep. Still the most deadly in U.S. history. Killed 32 and injured 17. With a handgun.
 
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BB is specifically talking about high profile school shootings where AR-15's were used, and he's only talking about those. All other incidents do not count as AR-15's were not involved, and that would go against the narrative he has been instructed to believe.
 
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allvol123 said:
“Believe” is that better? It was not intended as a trick or accusation.

Do you believe this is planned at a higher level?
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I think he believes the possibility is there. I don’t blame him because I feel the same way. This is all too coincidental and too close together to be just random dudes doing stupid chit. Gotta remember that there’s an election upcoming
 
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1vol8 said:
I think he believes the possibility is there. I don’t blame him because I feel the same way. This is all too coincidental and too close together to be just random dudes doing stupid chit. Gotta remember that there’s an election upcoming
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So what was the plan?

Commit a horrific act to drum up the anti-gun crowd in the middle?

Then on top of that have cops perform poorly to drum up more anti-police sentiment?
 
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allvol123 said:
So what was the plan?

Commit a horrific act to drum up the anti-gun crowd in the middle?

Then on top of that have cops perform poorly to drum up more anti-police sentiment?
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Sounds Fuqed up but like I said, the possibility is there. Politicians fix elections . They even tamper with the elections of other world leaders. You don’t think they have the reach to tell a department to stand down?
 
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1vol8 said:
Sounds Fuqed up but like I said, the possibility is there. Politicians fix elections . They even tamper with the elections of other world leaders. You don’t think they have the reach to tell a department to stand down?
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I could see the psy ops to get to the juvenile. One person can surely be manipulated.

A group of adults? That gets a lot tougher. This is their community, their friends, neighbors, etc. In a very homogeneous town (90% Hispanic). You’re gonna have an operation that convinced them to go along with the slaughter of children?
 
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