19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

[Rasputin_Vol]

You believe they should be able to let random people enter an active violent crime scene?

I think they had bigger concerns at that moment. But you've already tipped your hand. That is simply a concern about future litigation, not about public safety.

 

[allvol123]

Take not. We need to find out what kind of doors those are if LEOs can't breach them without a key.

The kind with kids on the other side of them.

But you’re right, their wish was to have to open the door with a key so they could get as close to the door as possible and it be as cumbersome as possible while taking on fire.

 

[Weezer]

What is the looney lib solution?

Grab guns but still ignore the mentally ill.

About as effective as EL says prayers are.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I think they had bigger concerns at that moment. But you've already tipped your hand. That is simply a concern about future litigation, not about public safety.

It’s because more innocent people could be killed. Litigation is also always on an officers mind. Every aspect of every call should be.

 

[utvolpj]

It’s because more innocent people could be killed. Litigation is also always on an officers mind. Every aspect of every call should be.

The call was about 8yo's being murdered. They chose to work crowd control. If only litigation was allowed for that choice

 

[evillawyer]

In a sad, twisted way, I'm with evil on this. I don't think just praying isn't going to cut it. Need more than that.

Trump's more likely to win the spelling bee than prayer doing jack squat.

 

[hog88]

The kind with kids on the other side of them.

But you’re right, their wish was to have to open the door with a key so they could get as close to the door as possible and it be as cumbersome as possible while taking on fire.

The shooter was behind a door and solid walls how were they going to take fire opening it with a key? Hell, they have admitted they tried to breach the door and couldn't until they got a school employee to open it with a key.

 

[allvol123]

The shooter was behind a door and solid walls how were they going to take fire opening it with a key? Hell, they have admitted they tried to breach the door and couldn't until they got a school employee to open it with a key.

They literally took fire opening it, the first to guys took fire and the third guy shot the perp. Where did you read a school employee to opened it?

 

[allvol123]

The shooter was behind a door and solid walls how were they going to take fire opening it with a key? Hell, they have admitted they tried to breach the door and couldn't until they got a school employee to open it with a key.

Bortac members were able to enter the room after getting a master key from the principal, according to the officials. One Bortac agent took rounds to their shield upon entering, a second was wounded by shrapnel. A third killed the suspect.

 

[rjd970]

In a sad, twisted way, I'm with evil on this. I don't think just praying isn't going to cut it. Need more than that.

The "thoughts and prayers" line after these things are cringe. It is evident thoughts and prayers aren't cutting it and some sort of real action is needed.

Admittedly, I don't know what it is, but I do know thoughts and prayers aren't working and me providing thoughts and prayers from where I am isn't going to do jack squat for some grieving parent in Texas that just lost an 8yo because of a school shooting.

 

[allvol123]

The shooter was behind a door and solid walls how were they going to take fire opening it with a key? Hell, they have admitted they tried to breach the door and couldn't until they got a school employee to open it with a key.

Members of an elite Border Patrol tactical team known as Bortac responded to the shooting but couldn’t get into the classroom because of a steel door and cinder block construction, accord-ing to the officials familiar with the investigation. Meanwhile, the gunman shot at them through the door and walls.

 

[evillawyer]

Big win for second amendment. Mo guns mo safe. Amirite?

 

[clarksvol00]

Who are you referring to as trash? A former POTUS finds a way to mix this tragedy with George Floyd. He speaks on the democrat priorities and platform.

Both of you.

 

[Weezer]

They literally took fire opening it, the first to guys took fire and the third guy shot the perp. Where did you read a school employee to opened it?

Police narrative on Texas school shooting in question as new details emerge (yahoo.com)

 

[utvolpj]

Big win for second amendment. Mo guns mo safe. Amirite?

Didn't read past the headline did you?

 

[Dirty Vol]

I didn't twist anything. I posted a quote verbatim, and said that it appeared to be suggesting legally purchased guns, were not being used in shooting sprees. That is simply wrong. I stated that the Mandalay Bay shooter, Stephen Paddock, had legally purchased the firearms he used in the attack ... and I posted a link in support of that.

I stated a fact and then supported that fact with a source of information. If you consider that to be "twisting" anything, then your reading comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired.

You are dumb as F*** and I've already proven that in the Ukraine thread....you aren't quoting the entire comment which allows you to take it out of context and cherry pick hence you stating "it appeared to be suggesting". You are either twisting or revert back to my first comment above. Sorry for your incompetence. Please continue to play on those tracks maybe one day we will get lucky.

Yes it's a known fact that majority of shootings are done with legally purchased firearms. The gun industry isn't out there handing out weapons as if they are free program leaflets so they had to be purchased at some point.... What the comment is speaking to is the fact that a resounding majority of citizens who legally own firearms are not participating in mass shootings, murders, or acts of pure evil....

There are bad actors with bad intentions in all walks of life and professions. You have bad Dr's, lawyers, police officers, pastors, moms, dads, parents, and yes you even have bad people that legally own firearms... and we have no way of actively identifying them... insert the minority report.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Don’t you know that wild bill hick and the mad monk would’ve been able to take those bullets and open the door using their sheer willpower

 

[C-south]

Big win for second amendment. Mo guns mo safe. Amirite?

No way the CDC would have a political agenda.

 

[allvol123]

Don’t you know that wild bill hick and the mad monk would’ve been able to take those bullets and open the door using their sheer willpower

People are determined to create an answer in absence of a real answer when such a horrible event happens.

I still don’t fully understand what happened. I’m sure the reaction wasn’t 100% efficient and accurate. But it also isn’t every responding officer is a coward and slow witted.

 

[Weezer]

Don’t you know that wild bill hick and the mad monk would’ve been able to take those bullets and open the door using their sheer willpower

What are LEOs there for if they're not going to respond until all the kids are dead? I thought part of the job was putting their lives at risk, yet you seem to be arguing the opposite.

 

[allvol123]

Police narrative on Texas school shooting in question as new details emerge (yahoo.com)

Certainly some differences in the WSJ version.

I don’t buy the part about a school official walked up and unlocked the door. Why would you do that instead of just taking the key(police).

 

[Rickyvol77]

What are LEOs there for if they're not going to respond until all the kids are dead? I thought part of the job was putting their lives at risk, yet you seem to be arguing the opposite.

I’m not. I’m arguing that some officers keeping innocent people from entering a dangerous crime scene isn’t wrong and there were at least 3 officers who had or were engaging the suspect who had barricaded himself in a door. They apparently had tried to breach the door several times and weee outgunned as he shot thru the walls at them. They eventually did enter and kill him so I think the Monday morning QB of a situation like this as it unfolds is a little much. I’m all for criticizing officers when they are wrong but absence some actual facts I am not going to jump on “all these officers were simply cowards and hanging outside for no reason” when some were shot as well

 

[theFallGuy]

Big win for second amendment. Mo guns mo safe. Amirite?

Are they counting 1-17 year olds? or only a section of that?

Nevermind, looks Iike they are counting 1-19 year olds. 18 and 19 year olds are not "children" and could definitely skew the data.

 

[Gandalf]

Seems like local cops didnt exactly want to go into the line of fire and contented themselves with creating a perimeter while letting the perp barricade after killing a crapload of kids. Mind you this is probably after the first responders got shot at/wounded? Then locals "regroup", Border patrol tactical (basically swat) comes and immediately goes in using a stacked line maneuver to breech the door and overwhelm the perp

Bottom line, unless you have some serious firepower, maybe a grenade to break up the cluster, or are nearly completely shielded, that team is about to wreck your day and it is game over for the shooter.

Question is - there were a good number of other police on the scene - why did it fall to BorderTac to do a maneuver any field cop should be doing? There was only a couple of border guys IIRC.

 

[TN Ribs]

Big win for second amendment. Mo guns mo safe. Amirite?

Republican leadership chalks this up as the cost of doing business. Evidently they care more about having easy access to AR-15's than protecting children. They are cowards.