19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

So the just ended Texas DPS presser added even more twists. Biggest revelation being there was no SRO on the premises and the shooter entered an unlocked door totally unopposed. Regardless of any further updates or developments that sounds like a complete failure by the Uvalde ISD to secure that elementary school. Dammit…
 
I've always been entertained by the cognitive dissonance it must take to want to ban guns because they are bad, defund (or even disband) the police because they are bad, and think that the only people allowed to have guns are the police and military.

Me and @Rasputin_Vol said this yesterday. It's a paradox for the liberals, they just echo what their politicians say. The politicians love armed security and federal law enforcement. Their ideal society would involve only federal police. That's why they leaned so hard into defund the police, until they got so much backlash.

Biden talking about limiting citizens gun ownership rights while being surrounded by armed individuals is irony at its finest.
 
Of course not. I'm just wondering why police officers armed and looking like they are ready for combat are doing crowd control and not helping the more dangerous situation. Was there really no one else to keep the crowd back? I freely admit I don't know.

I'm not Monday morning quarterbacking this, but we have to admit a lot of this doesn't add up and it isn't a good look for the police. We are at the point where somebody knows what happened and all the details, there should be a statement released detailing how the response happened and why.
The DPS spox seemed to indicate that tactical team members were already in the building and engaged in negotiations with the barricaded shooter while that video was made. That was what I took from the presser anyway.
 
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So the just ended Texas DPS presser added even more twists. Biggest revelation being there was no SRO on the premises and the shooter entered and unlocked door totally unopposed. Regardless of any further updates or developments that sounds like a complete failure by the Uvalde ISD to secure that elementary school. Dammit…

Where did the press get that the SRO engaged the shooter before he entered the school? This story has so many inconsistencies.
 
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So the just ended Texas DPS presser added even more twists. Biggest revelation being there was no SRO on the premises and the shooter entered an unlocked door totally unopposed. Regardless of any further updates or developments that sounds like a complete failure by the Uvalde ISD to secure that elementary school. Dammit…
Not surprising here
 
But if there were officers engaged with the suspect inside what would these officers do besides try to secure the crowd. They can’t just let them rush in on the officers and the suspect. Also not every hicktown agency has rifles in their cruisers
If there was only one entrance it wouldn’t take many cops to block it. Also I think it may have calmed (lack of a better term) those parents a bit seeing officers enter the building, guns drawn and ready to engage the suspect. It’s seems logical that you a a parent would try to get inside if you see nothing being done as opposed to a tactical clearing.
 
If there was only one entrance it wouldn’t take many cops to block it. Also I think it may have calmed (lack of a better term) those parents a bit seeing officers enter the building, guns drawn and ready to engage the suspect. It’s seems logical that you a a parent would try to get inside if you see nothing being done as opposed to a tactical clearing.
But it was being done
 
If that is the case it is certainly better.
It was my inference from what was said. The spox was adamant that officers entered the building immediately upon arriving. The shooter was already stationary and barricaded. I said tactical teams entered immediately but that may not be correct. Officers entered immediately and began negotiating with the unresponsive shooter but the tactical teams arrived later I think. And promptly killed the bastard.
 
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Where did the press get that the SRO engaged the shooter before he entered the school? This story has so many inconsistencies.
Yeah it does. And the spox pretty much admitted that and was trying to reel it back in. He refused to speculate to the press on stuff he had no definitive data on.
 
Spox also said that they took fire and called in for more resources. At that time they began evacuating the school. They needed specialized equipment because he was shooting through the classroom walls.
 
So the just ended Texas DPS presser added even more twists. Biggest revelation being there was no SRO on the premises and the shooter entered an unlocked door totally unopposed. Regardless of any further updates or developments that sounds like a complete failure by the Uvalde ISD to secure that elementary school. Dammit…
My thought from the begining of this - in an updated school, there is no way this trash even gets through the door -- this school district and the morons on the school board will be getting sued big time as an example to all other schools that lack precautions
 
Of course not. I'm just wondering why police officers armed and looking like they are ready for combat are doing crowd control and not helping the more dangerous situation. Was there really no one else to keep the crowd back? I freely admit I don't know.

I'm not Monday morning quarterbacking this, but we have to admit a lot of this doesn't add up and it isn't a good look for the police. We are at the point where somebody knows what happened and all the details, there should be a statement released detailing how the response happened and why.

I am waiting to see.

I think this is the worst situation you can imagine. I’m sure mistakes were made.
 
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But it was being done
The scene was out of control and active. Hard to control what other people do in an active crime scene and therefore, as hard as it is to say, you have to TRY and control but understand that crowd control is secondary to the suspect. Should people put themselves in harms way willingly, they just become part of the scene. Those cops should’ve used Better judgment than to just let it happen.
 
You are making a lot of assumptions here
They had to have known that he was barricaded - because that's the reason they gave for their lack of action.
They could only have known that he was barricaded if he was witnessed going into the room and barricading himself.
So they had people in the school at one point.
They should have had a high degree of confidence that he was acting alone.
The RO would have a master key to everything,
Master keys are kept in the office.
Absolutely no excuse for not being able to quickly get a key.
Which means that cannot be accepted as a valid reason for waiting 40 minutes.
Maybe there are other reasons, but a locked door is certainly not one.
 
What I don’t get is it sound like there was at least a minute or two after he fired shots outside before he was inside the classroom. Did the teachers not know to lock their doors and turn off the lights and hide the kids? Did they not have the ability to lock the doors?
If true, it sounds to me like in this situation they would’ve had Time to ready themselves and take their positions if it were legal to arm yourself sa teacher. Training is everything. JS
 
Eliminate the income tax and go to a consumption tax. Everyone pays. Problem solved.
B) absolutely agree that these “servants of the people” should NOT be allowed to vote themselves a pay raise. That should only come from a vote of the people
I would be all for a consumption tax instead of the crap we now have
 
The more I see of this the madder I become. I'm not in law enforcement but as a father and grandfather I would have charged in there.
To stay back and wait for the real heros to arrive " border patrol" to go in and kill the guy is a terrible look.
The guy is in a school executing children.
Rush in there and take those bullets yourself. You signed up to serve and protect.
I don't need anyone on here preaching to me, explaining to me " how things really work" in Leo. It's a damn terrible look.
Just think of those men and women that rushed and climbed the towers in New York.
I'm certain they didn't lay back and wait on support.
Go to the fight and do the best you can with what you have.
 
I’m not defending them. I’m stating let’s hear all the information and not rely on distraught parents to claim things when no agency anywhere would let them rush in an active crime scene
It’s like Wolf said, every second counts. Maybe, just maybe had the first cop entered, there was a split second where he exposed himself that could’ve saved 10 of them with good shot placement. A chance or two could’ve been missed by not responding immediately
 

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