19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

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kiddiedoc said:
A few interesting stats, since I've already "revealed so much about myself" LOL:



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I applaud your effort. But this will be ignored. Never happened. Not relevant. Not worthy of discussion.

You screamed into the void and the void didn't reply.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This thing is getting stranger by the minute. You were on top of this.
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Problem in that calculus is that at least so far, the shooter does not seem to have had any psychiatric care or any known flags that would have been in a database. If I am running an op to create something like this, you dont create shooter from scratch, you find the already broken and give them a "push". So how would the tinfoil team have identified this guy as a useful tool in the first place? Some info may well come out as this goes on however.

I have an open mind and some things here are looking a bit fishy but there can certainly be other explanations. An op like this is significantly different (at least in moral lines crossed) than something like the Whitmer kidnap plot.
 
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Gandalf said:
Problem in that calculus is that at least so far, the shooter does not seem to have had any psychiatric care or any known flags that would have been in a database. If I am running an op to create something like this, you dont create shooter from scratch, you find the already broken and give them a "push". So how would the tinfoil team have identified this guy as a useful tool in the first place? Some info may well come out as this goes on however.

I have an open mind and some things here are looking a bit fishy but there can certainly be other explanations. An op like this is significantly different (at least in moral lines crossed) than something like the Whitmer kidnap plot.
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This isn’t some conspiracy. Guarantee the kid has had CPS/juvenile issues it’s just not been released. The only “weird” part is the money used to buy guns but it’s likely he stole it or his grandad was involved in drugs
 
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allvol123 said:
We do realize that even though cops are outside at the very moment of this video, that doesn’t mean cops aren’t also inside. Those two things can both be true.
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Agreed. I wouldn't think the cops would stand around and even take the time put up police tape before engaging the shooter. Also some time would have to pass before the parents could even get there.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
This isn’t some conspiracy. Guarantee the kid has had CPS/juvenile issues it’s just not been released. The only “weird” part is the money used to buy guns but it’s likely he stole it or his grandad was involved in drugs
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how utterly negligent of me - OF COURSE! he is a juvie. Likely to have lots of flags but none can be discussed if they happened before he was 18. they will eventually be leaked, tho.

Yah the drugs thing was on my mind originally for the money but he clearly isnt a regular dealer or he wouldnt be flipping burgers. Maybe did a few special drug runs for someone and had some extra. Like I said, there are other possible explanations - BUT a conspiracy cannot be tossed out without due consideration.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
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That's brutal to watch. I can't imagine what those parents were going through and the helpless feeling they must have had knowing their child is in that building with an active shooter. We have always been told to remain calm and not panic in difficult situations but it's impossible in that situation.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
24th Amendment?
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Meh. The 18th once existed as well. I just don't think that people that benefit from the theft from others, BY a third party should be voting to increase/continue said theft when they have no skin in the game. Just like... and this is NEVER gonna happen.... members of congress should never get a pay increase/benefits unless passed by the people whom they represent. Imagine if you could tell your boss that he is going to pay you more. How awesome would THAT be?
 
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luthervol said:
I think the risk of the gun being misused far outweighs any potential benefit.
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So in your opinion, what you’re saying is the 19 dead kids are a necessary sacrifice as opposed to having highly trained armed ex military soldiers there to protect them? Please clear that up Luther because that’s exactly what you just said
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Meh. The 18th once existed as well. I just don't think that people that benefit from the theft from others, BY a third party should be voting to increase/continue said theft when they have no skin in the game. Just like... and this is NEVER gonna happen.... members of congress should never get a pay increase/benefits unless passed by the people whom they represent. Imagine if you could tell your boss that he is going to pay you more. How awesome would THAT be?
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Eliminate the income tax and go to a consumption tax. Everyone pays. Problem solved.
B) absolutely agree that these “servants of the people” should NOT be allowed to vote themselves a pay raise. That should only come from a vote of the people
 
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Wireless1 said:
Narrative just changed from "ban firearms" to "defund the police," left wing media has to make sure to touch all the bases. Does anybody else think the shooter has a Trump copycat haircut, Donald has to take some blame for this too?
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I've always been entertained by the cognitive dissonance it must take to want to ban guns because they are bad, defund (or even disband) the police because they are bad, and think that the only people allowed to have guns are the police and military.
 
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rjd970 said:
IF this was taken while the hostage situation was ongoing it is infuriating. The visual of armed sheriff deputies with rifles and tactical gear performing crowd control while there is an active shooter in the school executing kids is absurd.
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Let's say that it was after...
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Turns out it wasn't just 1 cop. There were multiple officers that seemed to only care about restraining parents.

Video proof (very hard to watch)

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I can’t watch the video for some reason but if that is true, shame on those cops. No order would’ve kept a good cop outside those walls while shots were ringing out inside an elementary school. Scared little bitches should stay home playing video games and leave being a cop too real men
 
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rjd970 said:
IF this was taken while the hostage situation was ongoing it is infuriating. The visual of armed sheriff deputies with rifles and tactical gear performing crowd control while there is an active shooter in the school executing kids is absurd.
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I agree it is not a good look but also ask what do you do? There isn’t a memo stating we are certain there is only one shooter and we are sure the scenario is that simple.

Some degree of order has to be created in an already chaotic situation. Do you let parents run into the building? I am asking.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Jesus Christ. No one understand setting up a perimeter to secure the scene? You can’t just let anyone walk in and out if a crime scene especially an active shooter situation 🙄
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I agree with this but at the same time it’s hard to think of myself staying outside while listening to shots being fired inside. Truth be told, the crime was active at that point and therefore no need to secure a crime scene that was unfinished. Half the cops should’ve stayed outside to protect the parents from entering and the other half enter ready to engage. Every cruiser has an AR-15 and/or shotgun equipped to handle this situation. No excuse for them ALL to let it happen. JMO
 
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1vol8 said:
I agree with this but at the same time it’s hard to think of myself staying outside while listening to shots being fired inside. Truth be told, the crime was active at that point and therefore no need to secure a crime scene that was unfinished. Half the cops should’ve stayed outside to protect the parents from entering and the other half enter ready to engage. Every cruiser has an AR-15 and/or shotgun equipped to handle this situation. No excuse for them ALL to let it happen. JMO
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But if there were officers engaged with the suspect inside what would these officers do besides try to secure the crowd. They can’t just let them rush in on the officers and the suspect. Also not every hicktown agency has rifles in their cruisers
 
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allvol123 said:
I agree it is not a good look but also ask what do you do? There isn’t a memo stating we are certain there is only one shooter and we are sure the scenario is that simple.

Some degree of order has to be created in an already chaotic situation. Do you let parents run into the building? I am asking.
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Of course not. I'm just wondering why police officers armed and looking like they are ready for combat are doing crowd control and not helping the more dangerous situation. Was there really no one else to keep the crowd back? I freely admit I don't know.

I'm not Monday morning quarterbacking this, but we have to admit a lot of this doesn't add up and it isn't a good look for the police. We are at the point where somebody knows what happened and all the details, there should be a statement released detailing how the response happened and why.
 
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