19 Year Old Dies After Denial From Transplant List For Trace THC

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More people die every year of aspirin overdoes than from marijuana use. It's a harmless drug, or at least less harmful than the already regulated and taxed tobacco and alcohol....and, as it seems, aspirin.

This issue just makes zero sense.
 
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deer lowered, do the pot heads come in here and just comment without reading a dang bit of anything posted?
 
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rjd970 said:
More people die every year of aspirin overdoes than from marijuana use. It's a harmless drug, or at least less harmful than the already regulated and taxed tobacco and alcohol....and, as it seems, aspirin.

This issue just makes zero sense.
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We have been over this. The Federal government didn't write the rules, these are rules not laws anyway. The rules cover non illegal substances so it could still be on the list if legal. The rules were written outside of the states. Just because it is less dangerous doesn't make it a good idea or make it ok. no one is arguing legality or morality except for you two. I am assuming it is on there for MEDICAL reasons.

you know what, I am just going to start copying this post over and over and over again.

its the same old arguments that have nothing to do with the facts or the situation.
 
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LouderVol said:
We have been over this. The Federal government didn't write the rules, these are rules not laws anyway. The rules cover non illegal substances so it could still be on the list if legal. The rules were written outside of the states. Just because it is less dangerous doesn't make it a good idea or make it ok. no one is arguing legality or morality except for you two. I am assuming it is on there for MEDICAL reasons.

you know what, I am just going to start copying this post over and over and over again.

its the same old arguments that have nothing to do with the facts or the situation.
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LouderVol said:
deer lowered, do the pot heads come in here and just comment without reading a dang bit of anything posted?
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Seems kind of harsh that a trace of THC in somebody's system would keep them off of a transplant waiting list. One could have stopped consuming it yet the positive tests continue for at least a month compared to worse things that potential recipients could be consuming that aren't detectable within hours or days.

I don't think that if all things are equal, except that one on the list tests positive for THC, anybody is arguing that it should be ignored. But a trace of THC in a kid's system, possibly from one time consumption weeks earlier, doesn't seem to warrant a "get your affairs in order, you're going to die" response. Being that young seems like a far more important criteria when deciding who gets to live and who is going to die.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Seems kind of harsh that a trace of THC in somebody's system would keep them off of a transplant waiting list. One could have stopped consuming it yet the positive tests continue for at least a month compared to worse things that potential recipients could be consuming that aren't detectable within hours or days.

I don't think that if all things are equal, except that one on the list tests positive for THC, anybody is arguing that it should be ignored. But a trace of THC in a kid's system, possibly from one time consumption weeks earlier, doesn't seem to warrant a "get your affairs in order, you're going to die" response. Being that young seems like a far more important criteria when deciding who gets to live and who is going to die.
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Dammit! YOU just do not understand it is NOT about detection only.

It IS about because it was found, now they FRICKIN KNOW that THERE ARE REAL MEDICAL DANGERS (POSSIBLY DEADLY) THEY KNOW ABOUT if they went ahead with a procedure while THC which is an oil based drug e.g. (hash oil) and so takes up residence in fat cells and continues to metabolize for days and days and days oh hell weeks even sometimes.

And those frickin metabolites can frickin kill you on the operating table if they interact with or interfere with or enhance the action of drugs given during surgery.

Are youse guys too stoned to comprehend. Or are your collective brain functions permanently damaged from rolling another one, just like the last one?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
This thread is like the movie Groundhog Day.
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More fun....

Sup brah?

Oh Mayun! We be defendin the magic weed!

Say yeah! Damn right!
Whacha doin?

Uhhh ... we're defendin Marijuana in all its beeyutiful incarnations.

Right on maaan..
Waz happinin?...

We takin it to all thuh eestablishment wonkz mayun! Weeds gotta be defended ya know.

Cool dude.
Howzit hangin?
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Dammit! YOU just do not understand it is NOT about detection only.

It IS about because it was found, now they FRICKIN KNOW that THERE ARE REAL MEDICAL DANGERS (POSSIBLY DEADLY) THEY KNOW ABOUT if they went ahead with a procedure while THC which is an oil based drug e.g. (hash oil) and so takes up residence in fat cells and continues to metabolize for days and days and days oh hell weeks even sometimes.

And those frickin metabolites can frickin kill you on the operating table if they interact with or interfere with or enhance the action of drugs given during surgery.

Are youse guys too stoned to comprehend. Or are your collective brain functions permanently damaged from rolling another one, just like the last one?
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The problem with your rant/explanation is that the Utah hospital decided to let him die. Seems like a chance of dying because he has a trace of THC in his system is a better option than dying because he can't get on the list at all.

" 'She was willing to let him die over testing positive for marijuana. This is what shocked me,' he added to Buzzfeed News. "

"Doctors said that he would need a double lung transplant to survive. But they denied him a place on the transplant list after finding THC - the main intoxicant in marijuana - in his system, reported KFOR."
 
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bigdaddy said:
The science of THC hasn't changed but that was one of the only "free" ones I have. You could take my word for it as an anesthetist and 20 years of education and experience that THC/MJ have adverse effects to anesthesia and surgical outcomes. Those being pneumonia, uvular swelling, atelectasis
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Where do you practice at? Just curious. Not questioning your expertise, I'm just curious if you're in Knoxville, and if so, which hospital?
 
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I gave up everything when I found out I had cirrhosis. Question the guidelines all you want, but they don't have to give you an organ. Life may be a right, but prolonged life is a privilege.

And I say that as someone who is pro-legalization. For every marijuana study that says one thing, there's a better than average chance there's one that says the opposite. Not enough research has truly been done on the pros vs the cons. Sadly, the money isn't there to adequately fund the research.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
My point was that the ganja stays in the system so long that it can be a really harsh test criteria. Things that do far more damage can only be checked for a fraction of that time. Maybe there's a way to test for only recent ingestion of THC? Also, there's a marijuana test using hair. Could that one give positive results until the hair is gone?
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This is so wrong

I'm sorry. But smoking weed one time, is in and out of your system with in 24 hours. Chronic users will have the longer effects or test positive.

This kid was a habitual user. Period.
 
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Obsessed said:
This is so wrong

I'm sorry. But smoking weed one time, is in and out of your system with in 24 hours. Chronic users will have the longer effects or test positive.

This kid was a habitual user. Period.
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Lol! You need to specify exactly what "smoking weed one time" means.
 
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Weezer said:
Where do you practice at? Just curious. Not questioning your expertise, I'm just curious if you're in Knoxville, and if so, which hospital?
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Ask Rosen Rosen next time you see him and he has my contact info. I'll tell him to give it to you. Been meaning to catch a show with you guys
 
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Plano Vol said:
So riddle me this. Tobacco use has been studied to a fare thee well and the results are pretty damning. Warning labels are on all products. Big Brother has taxed it almost into the ground in a effort to suppress use.

Why don't they make tobacco illegal?
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This is a point that too often gets overlooked. The same argument can be made for vaporziers/e-cigarettes. Big pharma and anti smoking lobbyists don't want people to have a less detrimental nicotine option. Your point and this one really illustrate the hypocrisy and cronyism.
 
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bigdaddy said:
That's what the father reported I believe so he is referencing the actual story
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That's where it gets interesting. A different article reported that his parent (not sure which one) said he had been off drugs for over a year, implying that he must have had some history. Putting two and two together, and given the positive test (which you aren't going to get from one use weeks to months before), and things start to make sense.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The problem with your rant/explanation is that the Utah hospital decided to let him die. Seems like a chance of dying because he has a trace of THC in his system is a better option than dying because he can't get on the list at all.

" 'She was willing to let him die over testing positive for marijuana. This is what shocked me,' he added to Buzzfeed News. "

"Doctors said that he would need a double lung transplant to survive. But they denied him a place on the transplant list after finding THC - the main intoxicant in marijuana - in his system, reported KFOR."
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And your problem is that you place no personal responsibility on the patient. He had a history of drug use/abuse, was put on a transplant list with strict stipulations, then had a positive drug test. Disqualified. End of story.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
And your problem is that you place no personal responsibility on the patient. He had a history of drug use/abuse, was put on a transplant list with strict stipulations, then had a positive drug test. Disqualified. End of story.
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I'm still confused how this can be argued. I'm not getting something.:dunno:
 
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