19 Year Old Dies After Denial From Transplant List For Trace THC

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bignewt said:
Never any data on Marijuana just ignorant hysteria left over from the 1920s.
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That's horse crap, newt. There have been documented cases of mold/fungi in marijuana that has caused health problems. And, it has been linked to pneumonia. Look it up.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Don't allow legality to dictate your morality, problem solved.

Surely even you're not dumb enough to believe you should allow someone die for using marijuana?
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There's guidelines for a reason. If you choose not to follow them, that's on you. Im not one to judge either way.
 
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And I don't see how the one hospital denying the surgery caused him to die from complications from the surgery later.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
And I don't see how the one hospital denying the surgery caused him to die from complications from the surgery later.
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That's the one piece of information that doesn't seem to logically flow. The implication is that he died because he didn't receive the transplant in Salt Lake City.
 
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Coug said:
This is pathetic and sad. Shame on the government and state laws for sentencing someone to death because of recreational marijuana use.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-life-saving-double-lung-transplant-dies.html
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A transplanted organ is a precious resource. People die every day waiting for an organ that never materializes. A hospital won't transplant a liver to an alcoholic who has no plans to change. It's a waste of something that could save the life of another person. The rules say if you have intoxicants in your system they won't do it.

Imagine your kid needed a double lung transplant and they died because a kid who gave himself pneumonia smoking weed got them instead.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That's horse crap, newt. There have been documented cases of mold/fungi in marijuana that has caused health problems. And, it has been linked to pneumonia. Look it up.
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Every idiot knows not to smoke moldy pot. That's like eating moldy food. Do you know not to do that?
 
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golfballs said:
I'm just guessing that medical guidelines involving transplants have less to do with the morality and more to do with the medical implication of smoking. Its not just marijuana that will get you rejected, it's also tobacco, alcohol and other drugs.
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This. Not sure why this is so difficult to at least consider.

What if your friend/family member was on a list and couldn't get an organ in time to live? Then, you find out that a good organ was given to the person just above them on the list, and that person's body eventually rejected the organ because of tobacco or marijuana use?

It stinks, but the line has to be drawn.

Edit: I hadn't read the post above yet, but he said it, too.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
A transplanted organ is a precious resource. People die every day waiting for an organ that never materializes. A hospital won't transplant a liver to an alcoholic who has no plans to change. It's a waste of something that could save the life of another person. The rules say if you have intoxicants in your system they won't do it.

Imagine your kid needed a double lung transplant and they died because a kid who gave himself pneumonia smoking weed got them instead.
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Where does it say he got pneumonia from smoking pot? It does not. This young man was otherwise healthy and was extremely young. Should've been near the top of the donor list.

The hospital even said it was because he tested positive for an "illicit drug". Meaning "we only allowed him to die because marijuana is illegal".
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
There's guidelines for a reason. If you choose not to follow them, that's on you. Im not one to judge either way.
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Your apathy is the problem with America. "The drug war is taking another person's life/freedom, and destroying the constitution, but my life isn't at risk yet so why should I care".
 
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Vol8188 said:
Your apathy is the problem with America. "The drug war is taking another person's life/freedom, and destroying the constitution, but my life isn't at risk yet so why should I care".
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Yea, I'm the problem. I'd be willing to bet my life has been far more at risk than yours will ever be. But I digress...

Please tell me how the "drug war" took his life?

He died from complications from the surgery that he still eventually got! You can never prove whether he would have lived or died had he got the surgery earlier
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Yea, I'm the problem. I'd be willing to bet my life has been far more at risk than yours will ever be. But I digress...

Please tell me how the "drug war" took his life?

He died from complications from the surgery that he still eventually got! You can never prove whether he would have lived or died had he got the surgery earlier
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A surgery he would've had months prior and was denied because of "an illicit drug". It's in the statement form the hospital.

Can you prove 100% he would've lived? No. Would his chances have been greater? Yes
 
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Stories like this make me grateful that I survived to adulthood. When I was a kid, if you went down to State Street or Wedgewood for a nicklebag or two during a dry spell and you happened to see some white powdery stuff on it, well...bonus.
 
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Vol8188 said:
A surgery he would've had months prior and was denied because of "an illicit drug". It's in the statement form the hospital.

Can you prove 100% he would've lived? No. Would his chances have been greater? Yes
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You can't prove that his chances would have been greater.
 
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Vol8188 said:
A surgery he would've had months prior and was denied because of "an illicit drug". It's in the statement form the hospital.

Can you prove 100% he would've lived? No. Would his chances have been greater? Yes
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I don't necessarily believe that he died because "marijuana is illegal." If you actually look at some of the guidelines, facilities have discretion. One thing that is considered is if a drug is found in someone'e system, then there is a reasonable chance the person could continue to use the drug, which could effect the acceptance of the new organ. Could that happen with tobacco and alcohol, too? Sure. I am not the person to attempt to reconcile all of that. However, I think it is perfectly understandable when a facility chooses a person with no drugs in his system as opposed to one who does.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Where does it say he got pneumonia from smoking pot? It does not. This young man was otherwise healthy and was extremely young. Should've been near the top of the donor list.

The hospital even said it was because he tested positive for an "illicit drug". Meaning "we only allowed him to die because marijuana is illegal".
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Ultimately the hospital and those on the selection committee have the final say. If you needed a new liver and they said no more alcohol and they tested you pre op and you'd had alchohol they'd reject you. It has nothing to do with the legality of the drug. Again at the end of the day there are people literally dying for organ transplants so they are incredibly rigid about who qualifies. If lungs grew on trees by all means set him up if he can pay for it.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Ultimately the hospital and those on the selection committee have the final say. If you needed a new liver and they said no more alcohol and they tested you pre op and you'd had alchohol they'd reject you. It has nothing to do with the legality of the drug. Again at the end of the day there are people literally dying for organ transplants so they are incredibly rigid about who qualifies. If lungs grew on trees by all means set him up if he can pay for it.
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The hospital specifically said it was because it was "an illicit drug". So it has everything to do with the legality
 
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Vol8188 said:
You don't believe those guidelines are in any way based on the legality of marijuana?

Let's not be dishonest
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hardly. I doubt they let you smoke cigarettes or cigars or anything else. just like liver transplants don't drink alcohol.

The issue is there is a limited number of transplantable organs and they are looking for any reason that might disqualify a person. They also check for other health issues to make sure they don't "waste" the organ on someone. why give new lungs to someone who is going to ruin it?

Weezer could probably educate all of us on the transplant list qualifications.
 
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He could have died from a bad reaction to anesthesia. He could have gotten MRSA. I feel like speculating that he died solely from the timeliness of the transplant is off base. All we know is that he died from complications.
 
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