19 Year Old Dies After Denial From Transplant List For Trace THC

[InVOLuntary]

I just don't think the weed had anything to do with it. Pneumonia and weed are not synonymous at all. The only thing it could have done was aggravated a pre-exisitng infection even then a cigararette, a cigar, a vape or pipe tobacco would have done the same.

You may be right. I would add though that many have posted that this was a vibrant, strong, and healthy young man, is it not odd that he contracts a deadly pneumonia? I mean that has to be extremely rare. Maybe kiddie doc can weigh in.

Like I said, I'm not against people using marijuana. I have friends that do. Some are very Successful business executives. Having used casually in my college years, it doesn't interest me now. I don't see it as much different than drinking (other than it being illegal). I do think it carries risk, as does drinking and tobacco use.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Nutshell of most current research/statistics on cannabis use:

- Definite increase in rate of mental illness, especially risk for schizophrenia, more pronounced with early use in adolescence

- Impaired cognitive and motor functioning during acute intoxication, likely increase in risk for MVA

- Impaired memory and cognitive function, chronic, dose-dependent

- Acute respiratory symptoms (applicable in the story)

- Slight increase in risk for MI and stroke

- No conclusive evidence of other long term medical risks (cancer, chronic lung disease, etc)

So (apart from the outliers for whom a few hits from the bong makes them creative mental giant (just ask them) the medical research confirms what we already knew?

It really does affect memory & it makes you slow, dumb, & stupid.

 

[bignewt]

You may be right. I would add though that many have posted that this was a vibrant, strong, and healthy young man, is it not odd that he contracts a deadly pneumonia? I mean that has to be extremely rare. Maybe kiddie doc can weigh in.

Like I said, I'm not against people using marijuana. I have friends that do. Some are very Successful business executives. Having used casually in my college years, it doesn't interest me now. I don't see it as much different than drinking (other than it being illegal). I do think it carries risk, as does drinking and tobacco use.

We are on the same page. I indulge on the weekend before I watch a movie or clean the house. I do just fine for myself with a great job and a healthy lifestyle. A casual user mitigates the risk just like having a drink or a cigarette. Enjoy. Once you use as a crutch its a problem.

 

[LouderVol]

I see a lot of US government funded studies in your list but...




Moral of the story is enjoy everything in moderation and if you do Mary Jane is a helluva lot easier on your body and mind than other vices.

and the problem with your "data" is its all pot head funded or anecdote based.

see aren't broad brushes fun?

 

[bignewt]

and the problem with your "data" is its all pot head funded or anecdote based.

see aren't broad brushes fun?

They are, cover more area that way. We all know what our government's drug policy has been doing for decades and how stupid it is to federally wage a war against pot. If not, the lie you are telling yourself is real.

 

[GAVol]

So the kid is likely told to avoid certain behaviors to receive an organ transplant that will save his life. Kid ignores all advice and does it anyway. Then when he is denied the transplant people place the blame the government? :question:

That's.....pretty much it.

 

[Vol8188]

Ask, and ye shall receive:

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All you did was copy a bibliography from somewhere. Most of the sources I took the time to check actually don't support your argument. Perhaps you should try harder next time.

Here's an example of one source you listed that came to the conclusion that marijuana is not linked to cancer.

It's the article titled "cannibus and tobacco smoke are not equally carcinogenic"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

 

[kiddiedoc]

I see a lot of US government funded studies in your list but...




Moral of the story is enjoy everything in moderation and if you do Mary Jane is a helluva lot easier on your body and mind than other vices.

Those are actually published studies from peer-reviewed resources. Of course, you can argue that you are more educated than basically all of science, but that's on you.

Notice that I included the statement that there is not clear evidence of long term health consequences aside from those noted. If you want to blindly believe that a potent neuroactive chemical that is often inhaled, causing many people to cough violently, has absolutely no negative effects on the brain or cardiopulmonary system, go right ahead.

 

[kiddiedoc]

All you did was copy a bibliography from somewhere. Most of the sources I took the time to check actually don't support your argument. Perhaps you should try harder next time.

Here's an example of one source you listed that came to the conclusion that marijuana is not linked to cancer.

It's the article titled "cannibus and tobacco smoke are not equally carcinogenic"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

I already told you that it wasn't.

That's a bibliography from the most current, comprehensive medical report on cannibus use.

It kills me that any suggestion that marijuana might have any deleterious effect is immediately met by pot advocates arguing something that wasn't even the point. Almost as if their reasoning is impaired....

 

[DrRosenRosen]

If you want to blindly believe that a potent neuroactive chemical that is often inhaled, causing many people to cough violently, has absolutely no negative effects on the brain or cardiopulmonary system, go right ahead.

I'm cool as long I continue to use thc suppositories, right? They don't make me cough.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I'm cool as long I continue to use thc suppositories, right? They don't make me cough.

lol: Your lungs should be fine. I haven't seen any longitudinal studies involving the rectum.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

But back to the thread. Yeah, it's horrible to think that one of my kids could come home for a holiday, and with no real responsibility except to stay safe, and wind up with moldy pot infecting his/her lungs and its deadly. And no, we don't know if the young man got pneumonia from moldy pot. Neither do we know, in not mold induced pneumonia, that it was not chemical induced or which strain of pneumococcal bacillum was the culprit. That data evidently wasn't released.

But we DO KNOW pot being "illicit" isn't why this boy was originally denied a transplant.

 

[Vol8188]

I already told you that it wasn't.

That's a bibliography from the most current, comprehensive medical report on cannibus use.

It kills me that any suggestion that marijuana might have any deleterious effect is immediately met by pot advocates arguing something that wasn't even the point. Almost as if their reasoning is impaired....

Or almost as if it's far safer than many over the counter drugs

 

[kiddiedoc]

Or almost as if it's far safer than many over the counter drugs

I'm not aware of conclusive evidence that many OTC meds have been linked to a risk for schizophrenia/mental illness, and most do not cause anywhere close to the same degree of acute intoxication effects or memory/cognitive deficits.

 

[Vol8188]

I'm not aware of conclusive evidence that many OTC meds have been linked to a risk for schizophrenia/mental illness, and most do not cause anywhere close to the same degree of acute intoxication effects or memory/cognitive deficits.

What about death? Unlike marijuana otc painkillers kill huge amounts of people annually.

Last I checked death is far worse

In none of the studies you mentioned have they proven marijuana caused mental illness. It's equally likely that people with mental illnesses are attracted to marijuana.

 

[bigdaddy]

So the kid is likely told to avoid certain behaviors to receive an organ transplant that will save his life. Kid ignores all advice and does it anyway. Then when he is denied the transplant people place the blame the government? :question:

The government controls all transplants yo

 

[bigdaddy]

What about death? Unlike marijuana otc painkillers kill huge amounts of people annually.

Last I checked death is far worse

In none of the studies you mentioned have they proven marijuana caused mental illness. It's equally likely that people with mental illnesses are attracted to marijuana.

Show me studies where OTC pain killers cause "huge" amounts of death

 

[VolGee4]

What about death? Unlike marijuana otc painkillers kill huge amounts of people annually.

Last I checked death is far worse

In none of the studies you mentioned have they proven marijuana caused mental illness. It's equally likely that people with mental illnesses are attracted to marijuana.

I am not a doctor, but what OTC pain killers are people addicted to and causing death? I am a criminal defense attorney, and I have never really heard of one.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Should those on the transplant list for a heart have less priority if they eat bacon? Should vegan's needing a heart be at the top of the list?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I already told you that it wasn't.

That's a bibliography from the most current, comprehensive medical report on cannibus use.

It kills me that any suggestion that marijuana might have any deleterious effect is immediately met by pot advocates arguing something that wasn't even the point. Almost as if their reasoning is impaired....

Why should pot be illegal while cigarettes, alcohol, diet Coke, and bacon aren't? Those things have been studied as well, probably more than pot, and haven't the results shown them to all be harmful?

 

[bigdaddy]

Should those on the transplant list for a heart have less priority if they eat bacon? Should vegan's needing a heart be at the top of the list?

Sorry but eating bacon or being a vegetarian has zero effect on CHF/heart failure which is why you get a transplant. But nice try

 

[bigdaddy]

Why should pot be illegal while cigarettes, alcohol, diet Coke, and bacon aren't? Those things have been studied as well, probably more than pot, and haven't the results shown them to all be harmful?

Dude, bacon doesn't cause heart disease

https://www.google.com/amp/s/health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/05/your-diet-and-heart-disease-rethinking-butter-beef-and-bacon/amp/

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Why should pot be illegal while cigarettes, alcohol, diet Coke, and bacon aren't? Those things have been studied as well, probably more than pot, and haven't the results shown them to all be harmful?

Just need 218 reps, 51 senators, and a president who won't veto.

 

[bigdaddy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/health...disease-rethinking-butter-beef-and-bacon/amp/

 

[bigdaddy]

I am not a doctor, but what OTC pain killers are people addicted to and causing death? I am a criminal defense attorney, and I have never really heard of one.

Maybe if you take an entire bottle of aspirin to kill yourself? But no, OTC pain killers aren't leading to death and he is just making that up. All drugs are essentially poison. All drugs have deleterious effects. But to say that tylenol is more impairing than THC is a joke