2 out of the last 3 years

#76
#76
govols182 said:
Rivals team rankings

04': 11
05': 4
06': 23
07': 3
08': 36

2/5 last of we've had a top 5 class. 3/5 we've had top 11 class. 2 bad years won't bring us down that much if at all. These guys won't be playing until a year or 2 atleast anyways. We will be back in the top 10 in recruiting next year. Mark it down!
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Do keep in mind that we lost some of the best talent out of the 05 class...at least we will be getting Morley back (that was his class, right?). We will be leaning hard on last year's class next year.
 
#77
#77
govols182 said:
Rivals team rankings

04': 11
05': 4
06': 23
07': 3
08': 36

2/5 last of we've had a top 5 class. 3/5 we've had top 11 class. 2 bad years won't bring us down that much if at all. These guys won't be playing until a year or 2 atleast anyways. We will be back in the top 10 in recruiting next year. Mark it down!
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So now recruiting under Fulmer is like football games under Fulmer.

"We'll get 'em next year."
 
#78
#78
govols182 said:
Rivals team rankings

04': 11
05': 4
06': 23
07': 3
08': 36

2/5 last of we've had a top 5 class. 3/5 we've had top 11 class. 2 bad years won't bring us down that much if at all. These guys won't be playing until a year or 2 atleast anyways. We will be back in the top 10 in recruiting next year. Mark it down!
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I honestly think that kids, and their advisors (parents as well as competing schools) are aprehensive because we have an entire offensive staff of unknowns. I think that was used against us, even when we had them hired. That's probably a pretty useful tool to convince someone not to play for the competitor. Especially if you've handed them a very bad loss.


If we beat our competitors, and show that UT can provide these kids with a viable team to play for, they'll come to us. I am not very fearful so much as I am curious for our future... at this point... because so much remains untested. And I do think that last years class will have enough talent to compensate for the losses of this class. DL does concern me, but that is honestly about it. I think we'll be fine though. Also, as fans, the way we feel would only be more for a recruit. You think the success we've had means anything to them? No. It is the success we can promise them in the future. Despite being 6-6 Saban has been able to absolutely sell these kids that he is "their guy". We'll also see what our guys can do when they've been given a full year to work the circuit.
 
#80
#80
Duckcrazed said:
Hmmm did you think perhaps all the negativity surrounding CPF had anything to do with it? Why would a kid want to go to a school where the coach is constantly being second guessed by the fans? I'm be willing to bet at least a few recruits were on this board and got turned off by the overwhelmingly negative attitude towards CPF this year. I certainly recognize that this isn't a going to be a stellar recruiting class, however I also recognize that there were many factors working against the vols including folks like you.
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Last year it appeared CPF's job came down to winning the Georgia game, which he did. During this time Mike Hamilton let Fulmer twist in the wind as pundits openly debated CPF's future.

John Thornton, one of the large boosters and ally of CPF wrote an angry letter to Hamilton criticizing him for not publicly supporting his coach while the pundits speculated. His rationale? Not publicly supporting CPF at this crucial time, the program, and especially recruiting, would suffer. Seems he was right about the recruiting. Kids are much smarter and have plenty of guidance in choosing a school. Don't think they don't troll these boards to get a general feeling of the fan base.

I don't care if CPF coaches another game or not. But as long as I am a Volunteer fan I will keep my criticism of him constructive and respect the position he has earned.

I know, we don't win the big games,can't beat a higher ranked team, and Neyland Stadium no longer intimidates anyone- which by the way, angers me the most. I remember as a youngster the raucous Neyland Stadium crowd was worth at least a field goal. Now, teams act as if they are playing home games when they get to Neyland.

What I have not thought until recently is the fact that Fulmer has been able to coach his alma mater, one of the most prestigious football universities in the nation. He has won a NC, and compiled a winning percentage many of his peers would love to have.
In addition, he has made several MILLION dollars in the process. He has lived his dream life. How many of us can say that? I believe some of the hatred for CPF comes from this.

At the end of the day, Fulmer getting fired does not change his lifestyle one bit. He will still be rich and considered one of the great UT coaches.

I think CPF loves UT and when he feels he can't be competitive any longer, he will step aside out of his respect for the University of Tennessee.

Until then I will criticize him constructively and every Saturday until I die I will Cheer for my beloved Vols no matter who the coach may be.
 
#83
#83
govols182 said:
No, I'm saying that one year out of the top 25 in recruiting is going to kill us.
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How?

If it's surrounded by 2 top 5 classes... those guys could easily never see playing time. And it wouldn't really matter.


Wait... maybe we should all just give up on the team. TIS HOPELESS!! THE WORLD IS LOST!!


:zeitung_lesen:
 
#84
#84
kkep48 said:
Our recruiting classes have been pathetic. During those same years, we go 5-6, make it to 1 SECCG and win 1 bowl game. Yet, our coaches get raises and we are bringing in average, at best, recruiting classes.

What gives? Hope Mike Hamilton is happy.
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Why do you guys focus on the last 3 years? Probably because it sounds worse, right?

Let's try it this way... In two of the last 4 years, UT has signed large top 5 classes.

I just checked... and sure enough, players recruited in 2005 are still eligible to play... you remember? That 4th ranked class?

In fact, UT still has NINE players from the 2004 #11 class.

Got a suggestion for all you naysayers and badmouthers... especially those fortunate enough to live in the great state of Tennessee... GO START A YOUTH FOOTBALL LEAGUE.... or petition the legislature to mandate football for elementary and middle schools or at least to provide start up funds. Do something positive. Most of the time you can find coaches if you can find people willing to be administrators.

The kids need the opportunity... and it would do alot more for UT than sitting around griping about a guy who works his tail off to overcome the lack of homegrown talent.

UT struggles some years in recruiting in part because the state of Tn does not regularly produce great talent. The only SEC state that produced less 4-5* players than Tn this year was KY.
 
#85
#85
According to the Tennesseeans' informal poll of Tn recruits, the thing that influenced their decisions the most was the HC... and his stability. It apparently DID bother some guys that CPF's job was less than 100% secure for awhile last year.
 
#86
#86
Why all the negativity. I got inside info from phil himself. He said this "We'll work like heck to overcome this crappy recruiting class."
 
#87
#87
How much of the talent from the 2005 class is still around and looking worthy of a #4 ranking? I really don't know the answer ... but I'm nervous to hear it.
 
#88
#88
I can't imagine we're doing much for the morale of the new kids on the team who are reading this. Poor guys. Just got recruited, already being doomed to a losing season.
 
#92
#92
ksushalovesthevols said:
Lawyers are taught not to make unwarranted assumptions.
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I'm pretty sure they teach you to file your claims in the proper courts. Thus, I would expect you to be capable of posting a comment in the proper forum. Take that one step further and it's easy to see why I thought your insult of Mike Hamilton, which was posted in a recruiting forum, pertained to recruiting.
 
#93
#93
Really. Why would a recruit want to come play in front of 100,000 crybabies? Next time your mama's burping you over her shoulder, why don't you look around and realize that UT is one of the elite athletic programs in the nations. What makes college athletics great is tradition, competition, and personal growth. IMO, CPF does a good job of balancing these principles with the immense pressure to produce immediate results now. We're all nervous about a new system, new coaches, tough competition, etc., but don't freak out. Tennessee will surprise people next fall.
 
#94
#94
herkyvol said:
Tennessee will surprise people next fall.
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I fully expect next season to be about the same as 2007 in terms of W/L regular season with the only difference being that all the losses will be in conference and there will be no SECCG appearance. Whoever wins the East (UF or UGA) should be favored against a rebuilding Auburn, reloading LSU, or overachieving Bama, and will have a reasonable chance of playing for the the BCS c-ship. The real surprise will come in 2009 when the ill effects of 2 down recruiting years come into full focus and the people who really do think everything is okay are going to get slapped upside the head with a harsh dose of reality.
 
#95
#95
ksushalovesthevols said:
I can't imagine we're doing much for the morale of the new kids on the team who are reading this. Poor guys. Just got recruited, already being doomed to a losing season.
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Not only that, but according to some, they aren't good enough to play for Maryville High School
 
#96
#96
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I fully expect next season to be about the same as 2007 in terms of W/L regular season with the only difference being that all the losses will be in conference and there will be no SECCG appearance. Whoever wins the East (UF or UGA) should be favored against a rebuilding Auburn, reloading LSU, or overachieving Bama, and will have a reasonable chance of playing for the the BCS c-ship. The real surprise will come in 2009 when the ill effects of 2 down recruiting years come into full focus and the people who really do think everything is okay are going to get slapped upside the head with a harsh dose of reality.
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Im in 100% agreement. In 09 and 10 you'll see Bama firmly back on the national scene and LSU, UGA, & UF holding steady. You may also add a resurrgent Ark and AU, plus Ole Miss now has a guy that coach. Where does that leave the Vols? Falling further and further behind.
 
#97
#97
rexvol said:
Im in 100% agreement. In 09 and 10 you'll see Bama firmly back on the national scene and LSU, UGA, & UF holding steady. You may also add a resurrgent Ark and AU, plus Ole Miss now has a guy that coach. Where does that leave the Vols? Falling further and further behind.
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And then after the 2010 season, Saban will jump ship again.

Let UGA hold steady. 3 out of the last 4 is good enough for me not to lose sleep at night.

What's Houston Nutt's record against Tennessee?

LSU and UF that sucks. Tennessee has a lot of ground to make up there.

Petrino = Trash.
 
#98
#98
Bro', I hope you're right, but I just dont see it. I think Petrino's going to do very well in Fayettenam and I think Nutt's going to make Ole Miss respectable. I def hope you're right about Saban, but I think he may have learned his lesson and will be just like Pete Carrol, ie. he's there to stay, but will flirt occassionaly with the league just to boost his ego.
 
#99
#99
rexvol said:
Bro', I hope you're right, but I just dont see it. I think Petrino's going to do very well in Fayettenam and I think Nutt's going to make Ole Miss respectable. I def hope you're right about Saban, but I think he may have learned his lesson and will be just like Pete Carrol, ie. he's there to stay, but will flirt occassionaly with the league just to boost his ego.
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More sarcasm then anything.

Nutt can do whatever he wants at Ole Miss, he's still not anywhere near the coach CPF is (and that's saying something coming from me).

Petrino is straight trash. He'll be ran out of Fayeteville when they realize Nutt was about the best they could hope for. For all that Petrino is noted for, defense is nowhere near his specialty. They can score all the points they want, but it isn't going to matter much when the defense he puts on the field mirrors a high school team.

Saban is gypsy coach. I compared him to the college version of Bill Parcells and I think that holds true.
 
#100
#100
2002...#2 ranked class
How "great" were these 5* recruits James Banks, Mondre Dickerson, Brandon Jeffries, Jona. Mapu, and Gerald Riggs (1 good year)

2004
Chris Brown 2*, Arian Foster 3*, Ryan Karl, 2*, Anthony Parker, 3*, Antonio Reynolds 3*

They did much more for UT than the "studs" in the 2002 class. Time will tell. Wins and loses are all that matter.

2002 class....4 years later was the great 5-6 season!
 
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