2 spread option team playing at Atlanata right now for the SEC title

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Orange_Crush said:
You quoted a post that states categorically that the spread is a finesse offense only, can't get tough yards... And said the thread should just end on that note.

I point out the other things that have been posted that prove the contrary of that opinion.

Your response is to basically agree with much of the contrary opinion. You go as far as to state (about the two teams running the scheme in the SECCG)-- "at the end of the day to win in the SEC you have to be able to pick up 3rd and 2 consistently."

LOL.. The thread should have ended with the statement that the spread is a finesse offense that can't pick up the tough yards. Someone running the spread is about to win the SEC. You can't win the SEC without being able to pick up the tough yards.

Those are your consecutive statements, my firiend.
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I think you and your butt buddy who thinks Dobbs is a running QB don't truly understand what some are saying on here. Aurburn runs a pistol formation all the time and they have the ability to run the ball every play. The post I quoted stated we don't posses that ability, which is 110% fact. Our offense is weak compared to Aurburn and Mizzu. We don't run a offense similar to those teams. Just because you go 3-4 wide doesn't mean all spreads are the same. Dobbs hasn't done jack s*** running the ball against anyone except KY, who Maryville high school could beat. You guys need to lay off the hard core drugs and realize that we aren't Mizzu or Aurburn, nor are we trying to be. Our spread is nothing similar in terms of running plays. We run a read option single back set with a motion gap blocking TE. It's a very simplistic offense. We also will implement a spread TE spread if Helm is as good as player as most think he is. Aurburn runs a pistol read option spread with arguably the fastest QB in the NCAA. Mizzu is a passing spread offense, who's QB isn't going to burn you just like Dobbs. Mizzu's offense is a lot more advanced then ours is though, and they rely on the deep ball a lot in their offense.
 
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#77
So I'm watching this game between the two best teams in the SEC today. At the end of three quarters, I am forced to conclude that one (or perhaps both) of the following statements is absolutely true:

1. All this stuff we've been hearing about defense wins championships is pure malarkey; it just seemed that way for years because SEC offenses were pathetic.

Or

2. Defense used to win championships but the modern spread offense is so powerful as to render that idea obsolete, and henceforth, offense wins championships.

It's one or the other. The evidence is on CBS right now (and last week, and the week before, and the week before...).

My prediction: over the next 10 years we will see two or less national champions that run a pro style offense (or, the spread will become the style favored by the pros).
 
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Auburn going to put up 50 pts and 500 yds rushing against a defense giving up 119 on the ground.
That's just nasty. I'm sure a prostyle offense would be doing the same though.
 
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Not impressed by either defense today--and I find it bizarre that the officials didn't review that first Mizzou TD catch, which turns out not to have been a catch! He dropped the ball!

I saw today that Oklahoma played 3 qbs today and still managed to beat what is apparently a pretty good OSU team. Unusual. We may be doing that next year--though I hope one guy wins the job.
 
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If you've got a athletic QB who can run, and will run with the ball, I don't care what your offensive scheme is, you will create serious problems for the defense. Running QBs are hard to defend--we lost a chance at a national title game in 2001 because we couldn't stop the friggin' LSU backup QB from running for first downs. Hell, if you put two backs in the backfield and ran a QB sweep on every other play, you'd never give up the ball.
 
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Did Mizzu just score on a spread formation from the 2?

Did they just get the 2 pt conversion in a spread, empty backfield set?

Well oh my...
 
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Orange_Crush said:
If someone beat you up, would you then fight their nephew to restore your dignity? Because that's pretty much what you're doing right now by creating a straw man argument, then arguing against it.

I've read this thread twice and can find nowhere where anyone said the spread is the best offense. Some are merely saying that it is a viable offense, as proven by tonight's SECCG.

No one has said that a spread team will always beat a pro style team.

You look incredibly foolish. I'm telling you this out of goodwill, for your benefit.
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I have said that the spread offense is a good one but IMO the pro style is better. Many people want to believe that this spread is so muc better and it's not. I have brought up Alabamas success running a more traditional pro style offense and that cannot be debated. Saying just because the last 2 teams to beat Alabama run the spread offense is not an effective argument against the pro style offense.

Sorry crush but I disagree. Just because my opinion does not agree with everyone else's doesn't make it wrong or foolish.
 
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armchair said:
If you've got a athletic QB who can run, and will run with the ball, I don't care what your offensive scheme is, you will create serious problems for the defense. Running QBs are hard to defend--we lost a chance at a national title game in 2001 because we couldn't stop the friggin' LSU backup QB from running for first downs. Hell, if you put two backs in the backfield and ran a QB sweep on every other play, you'd never give up the ball.
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I mean that's what Aurburn does pretty much. It has nothing to do with the spread that so many get their jolly's off too. Aurburn has a QB that's the fastest player on the field, and the next fastest person is his RB the he hands the ball off to. Bama and LSU are the only teams that I've seen remotely stop Aurburn this year, and Mizzu's strong asset on defense is rushing the QB, which is hard to do when he only throws it 7 times a game.
 
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Wylo said:
Still couldn't get the tough yards against Vandy...

It its a finesse offense. Period. Imagine this scenario: 4TH AND GOAL from the 2 yard line and your offense goes 4 wide?

Ridiculous
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Franklin just went empty backfield and did just that. Then did it again with auburn knowing it was coming. Spread is all about a good mobile qb.
 
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keckjm said:
I think you and your butt buddy who thinks Dobbs is a running QB don't truly understand what some are saying on here. Aurburn runs a pistol formation all the time and they have the ability to run the ball every play. The post I quoted stated we don't posses that ability, which is 110% fact. Our offense is weak compared to Aurburn and Mizzu. We don't run a offense similar to those teams. Just because you go 3-4 wide doesn't mean all spreads are the same. Dobbs hasn't done jack s*** running the ball against anyone except KY, who Maryville high school could beat. You guys need to lay off the hard core drugs and realize that we aren't Mizzu or Aurburn, nor are we trying to be. Our spread is nothing similar in terms of running plays. We run a read option single back set with a motion gap blocking TE. It's a very simplistic offense. We also will implement a spread TE spread if Helm is as good as player as most think he is. Aurburn runs a pistol read option spread with arguably the fastest QB in the NCAA. Mizzu is a passing spread offense, who's QB isn't going to burn you just like Dobbs. Mizzu's offense is a lot more advanced then ours is though, and they rely on the deep ball a lot in their offense.
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I generally cut off communication when folks sink to the "butt buddy"-esque comments. Its a fairly good indicator that people either lack the ability for rational discussion, or have exhausted their reserves.

But first, I don't think that you know the definition of a running quarterback. Dobbs is, by definition, a running QB. He ran. Pretty successfully.

From UTSports:

In home debut vs. #7 Auburn (11/9), threw for 128 yards on 16-of-28; he also ran for 50 yards on 10 carries -- the most rushing yards by a UT QB since Tee Martin had 54 vs. Kentucky in 1998
In first college start at #10 Missouri (11/2), threw for 240 yards on 26-of-42; completions and attempts mark are most by a Vols true freshman on his debut in history
Ran for team-best 45 yards at Missouri, including 33-yard rush, which was longest by a true QB since Tee Martin (38 yards) in 1999


Secondarily, how does UT's ineptness at the scheme make the scheme invalid, as you seemed to indicate in your first post that called for the thread to end on that point?
 
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Wylo said:
Still couldn't get the tough yards against Vandy...

It its a finesse offense. Period. Imagine this scenario: 4TH AND GOAL from the 2 yard line and your offense goes 4 wide?

Ridiculous
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Uh yeah Auburn just converted in this same scenario. Yet another epic fail of a post by Wylo.
 
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ProfessorD said:
Franklin just went empty backfield and did just that. Then did it again with auburn knowing it was coming. Spread is all about a good mobile qb.
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Uh oh... Prepare to hit with an "attack the man", homosexual reference to totally disregard you point.
 
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Just because I am sick of the CBS constant reference of AU rushing.
Passing offense:
AU - 132
MU - 247
 
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Could also be that the "spread" UT runs is pathetic compared to these two coaches and teams.

CBJ likes to run a spread that doesn't let one qb run or the other one throw. funny how that works out.

Great job.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
No excuse from you for Auburn converting on that 4th and goal from the 1? Surprising.
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I don't need excuses. This is a Tebow or Cam-Like offense. It is historically good.

Tell me again how CBJ's offense works again? Anything like these two? At all?

Or is all Dooley's fault? Or Kiffin? Maybe Fulmer? Majors?
 
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Wylo said:
Could also be that the "spread" UT runs is pathetic compared to these two coaches and teams.

CBJ likes to run a spread that doesn't let one qb run or the other one throw. funny how that works out.

Great job.
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Ignorance. Butch doesn't decide if the qb runs. The qb does. That's why its called an option. We just need the players with the balls to run more.
 
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Wylo said:
Could also be that the "spread" UT runs is pathetic compared to these two coaches and teams.

CBJ likes to run a spread that doesn't let one qb run or the other one throw. funny how that works out.

Great job.
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WTH does that have to do with the facts that:

Two spread option teams are playing in the SECCG, and one is about to win it?

You claimed that it can't get the tough yards, and it has?

I won't even go into a discussion about the personnel that CBJ has been using to implement the spread this year, since it has been covered in detail before.
 
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