2006 Vols Biggest Surprise???

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(therickbol @ May 11 said:
Yeah, Cutcliffe was a horrible QB coach and OC. I mean look at the offenses numbers under Cut. Horrible! Charlie Weiss, regarded as an offense mastermind, hand picked him to be his QB coach and co-OC. Man what an idiot Weiss is because he didn't consult hatvol first and find out the truth about Cut's OC abilities.

Look, I understand you not being satisfied with UTK's season. Not satisfied with the players performances and the coachs performances. But, I don't understand what is with you being negative about whether or not the new coaches are going to turn things around. We haven't even gone through the summer yet. How do you know if they are going to be successful if you discount them before they get started. There was a time when guys like Weiss, Carroll, Chow, and any other big name college coach was the age of Taylor, Roper, Luke and lacked experience. You are saying you know through your in-depth knowledge of these coaches (or maybe through some crystal ball) that none of these coaches will be successful college coaches? Wow, what a talent you have.
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My issue with Taylor, Roper, and Luke is as much with their experience as it is their age. Where did they get what little experience they have? At bottom feeder programs. Bob Stoops was young once, but his experience came under Hayden Fry, Bill Snyder and Steve Spurrier. That's a far cry from the stooges and dolts our three young coaches have worked for.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ May 11 said:
Of course that's it. Cut would have been little more than furniture at ND. Is that about your assesment?
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No. But everyone acts like Weiss was just going to hand Cutcliffe the keys to the offense and go get another hideous haircut. Cutcliffe would have had some input, he would not have been a decision maker.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
No. But everyone acts like Weiss was just going to hand Cutcliffe the keys to the offense and go get another hideous haircut. Cutcliffe would have had some input, he would not have been a decision maker.
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I'm sure you're right hate. I mean Cut is not the kind of guy that would demand having some control. We all know from his past that he is little more than a yes man. LOL
 
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Cut and Weiss.......

I would compare them to Jim Bollman and Jim Tressel...................Tressel calls the shots, Bollman gives suggestions.......

Bollman has the personality and ingenuity of a cast iron tub, while Tressel does not have an aggressive bone in his body.

Cut and Weiss would have worked a little better I think........
 
#56
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(VolBeef88 @ May 11 said:
I'm sure you're right hate. I mean Cut is not the kind of guy that would demand having some control. We all know from his past that he is little more than a yes man. LOL
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I would think he would be a little slow making demands. When he did at Ole Miss, Pete Boone sent him out on his a$$. There's a difference between being a yes man and having control. I'm sure Weiss respects his opinion. Cutcliffe has been a good coordinator. However, the idea of David Cutcliffe making demands of Charlie Weiss is like Bill Haslam making demands of George Bush. Just a little difference in power there.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
I would think he would be a little slow making demands. When he did at Ole Miss, Pete Boone sent him out on his a$$. There's a difference between being a yes man and having control. I'm sure Weiss respects his opinion. Cutcliffe has been a good coordinator. However, the idea of David Cutcliffe making demands of Charlie Weiss is like Bill Haslam making demands of George Bush. Just a little difference in power there.
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You kinda made my point hate. Cut made demands and they were not met so what did he do? Stuck to his guns and it cost him. I think he would have done the same at ND. In fact I bet he made that clear up front.
 
#58
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(hatvol96 @ May 10 said:
I don't know. Maybe because I was born and raised in East Tennessee, have two degrees from UT, contribute a considerable amount of money to the University every year, travel to most road games, and most importantly, because I damn well please. Any more questions?
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Well, so much for the civility request.
 
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i don't think there was any dispute that Weiss was going to run the offenese, and Cut was going to be coach the qb's...he was going to be a position coach, not coordnator, if memory serves. that said, i'm sure he'd of had input.

I do think it speaks well of Cut that Charlie Weiss wanted him for that position....it's not like Weiss doens't know what he's doing offensively, and probably knows a good coach when he see's it.

and Cut got canned at Ole Miss because he wouldn't fire any assistant coaches....hmmm....staff loyalty...wonder where he got that from? :blink:
 
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(VolBeef88 @ May 11 said:
my prediction.

hatevol realizes that he has been wrong all along and starts a pro UT thead. Then he starts a CPF fan club.

Now could anyone imagine anything being a bigger surprise?
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I guess that makes Hat the King Negavol. It not about trashing a program it's about offering hope for the future so in that since you don't get it. The name calling just goes with the territory I guess.

Biggest surprise : Demonte Bolden
 
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You kinda made my point hate.
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That just made me think of Dave Chapelle's The Time Haters.

Hatvol if Freak Nasty

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(OrangeEmpire @ May 11 said:
That just made me think of Dave Chapelle's The Time Haters.

Hatvol if Freak Nasty

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hat, there's your avatar!!!!
 
#63
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(VolBeef88 @ May 11 said:
You kinda made my point hate. Cut made demands and they were not met so what did he do? Stuck to his guns and it cost him. I think he would have done the same at ND. In fact I bet he made that clear up front.
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Yeah, with that forceful personality, I'm sure Weiss was terrified of the idea of not having Cutcliffe. I mean, look how bad Notre Dame's offense was without him. Weiss should, in fact, beg him to come back. The Irish and Weiss were just lost without him. I would hope Cutcliffe isn't so dense he would overplay his hand twice. He thought he had the support to hold on at Ole Miss, a terrible miscalculation. The administration realized Archie and Liv were out of kids and saw Cutcliffe as just another boring coach at one of the SEC bottom feeders. They decided to aspire to better. I think the huge boost in the quality of their recruiting vindicates that decision.
 
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(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
and Cut got canned at Ole Miss because he wouldn't fire any assistant coaches....hmmm....staff loyalty...wonder where he got that from? :blink:
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ought he got fired for having a loosing season in 2004. It's just a shame that Ole Miss demands more from its coaching staff than UT.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 11 said:
ought he got fired for having a loosing season in 2004. It's just a shame that Ole Miss demands more from its coaching staff than UT.
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i think it's pretty well documented why he got fired....and who does Ole Miss think they are anyway?
 
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(volbreaker @ May 11 said:
Well, so much for the civility request.
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Ask offensive questions and you get venomous answers. That post doesn't break any board rules. It simply provides an answer to the question that was posed to me.
 
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(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
i think it's pretty well documented why he got fired....and who does Ole Miss think they are anyway?
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A school aspires to compete in the weaker of the two SEC divisions. Cutcliffe didn't win the division with Eli Manning, what would lead them to believe he would without him? The fact the Rebs did a gainer directly into the toilet upon Eli's departure didn't help Cutcliffe's cause.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
A school aspires to compete in the weaker of the two SEC divisions. Cutcliffe didn't win the division with Eli Manning, what would lead them to believe he would without him? The fact the Rebs did a gainer directly into the toilet upon Eli's departure didn't help Cutcliffe's cause.
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i agree, and truth be known, i always had an inkling that they hired him just so they could get Manning.

having said that, cut also took them to a Cotton Bowl and won it....probably the biggest bowl that Ole Miss has been in in years....and though they technically didn't win any divisions under Cut, he did take them down to the wire with LSU that one year, 03 i think it was, where had Ole Miss beaten them, they would have won it....they lost and wound up with the same SEC record as LSU, but lost the tie breaker to LSU...can you say Co SEC Western Dvision Champs??? :blink:

it just wasn't all bad under Cut at Ole Miss and firing him after the 04 season just had this sense of arrogance about it, like Ole Miss was all of the sudden this school that wouldn't tolerate mediocracy? When they had basically sucked for well more than a decade under various coaches....hence the "who do they think they are?" comment.

it's not like they were coming off back to back 10 wins seasons and had just one an SEC title a couple of years ago....before Cut got there, i don't think they had ever finished higher than 4th in the SECW? not sure though....
 
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(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
i agree, and truth be known, i always had an inkling that they hired him just so they could get Manning.

having said that, cut also took them to a Cotton Bowl and won it....probably the biggest bowl that Ole Miss has been in in years....and though they technically didn't win any divisions under Cut, he did take them down to the wire with LSU that one year, 03 i think it was, where had Ole Miss beaten them, they would have won it....they lost and wound up with the same SEC record as LSU, but lost the tie breaker to LSU...can you say Co SEC Western Dvision Champs??? :blink:

it just wasn't all bad under Cut at Ole Miss and firing him after the 04 season just had this sense of arrogance about it, like Ole Miss was all of the sudden this school that wouldn't tolerate mediocracy? When they had basically sucked for well more than a decade under various coaches....hence the "who do they think they are?" comment.

it's not like they were coming off back to back 10 wins seasons and had just one an SEC title a couple of years ago....before Cut got there, i don't think they had ever finished higher than 4th in the SECW? not sure though....
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Does any sane person think Cutcliffe taking over from Tuberville wasn't a step backward for Ole Miss?
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Yeah, with that forceful personality, I'm sure Weiss was terrified of the idea of not having Cutcliffe. I mean, look how bad Notre Dame's offense was without him. Weiss should, in fact, beg him to come back. The Irish and Weiss were just lost without him. I would hope Cutcliffe isn't so dense he would overplay his hand twice. He thought he had the support to hold on at Ole Miss, a terrible miscalculation. The administration realized Archie and Liv were out of kids and saw Cutcliffe as just another boring coach at one of the SEC bottom feeders. They decided to aspire to better. I think the huge boost in the quality of their recruiting vindicates that decision.
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He was fired for loyalty (look that up if you need to) and knew that it would cost him. He turned down several job offers before he chose Ole Miss and he made it clear to many schools that they not even put his name in the mix as well while he was still at UT.

And apaerntly Weiss thinks much higher of Cut than you. But I'm sure you know a great deal more about coaching and assesing a coaches ability than Weiss. I'm really shocked that you have not been hired by a school to help find quality coaches.

Ole Miss has been laughed at for getting rid of Cut by many in the national media.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Does any sane person think Cutcliffe taking over from Tuberville wasn't a step backward for Ole Miss?
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How many teams has ears lead to a NC?
 
#72
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(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Does any sane person think Cutcliffe taking over from Tuberville wasn't a step backward for Ole Miss?
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i wouldn't call it an upgrade necessarily.... A step backward though? probably more of a lateral move, at the time anyway....

i don't recall, but what did Tubberville actually do while at Ole Miss....i know he had some big upsets while he was there, but did they ever go to any big bowl games?

here's some tid bits from the Ole Miss athletic web site:

Tubberville took them technically to two bowls...the Music CIty Bowl in 97 after an 8-4 season, and again in 98 to the Independence bowl, that Cut coached, as TT was gone for Auburn.

This directly from the website:
"Cutcliffe preceded his 2003 campaign with four winning seasons in 1999 (8-4), 2000 (7-5), 2001 (7-4) and 2002 (7-6) becoming the first Rebel mentor since Harry Mehre (1938-41) to post winning marks in his first five years. Cutcliffe also has directed Ole Miss to four bowl appearances in his first five seasons, and is the only head coach in Ole Miss history to do so."

The 2003 season, they went 10-3, tied for the Western Division with LSU...thier first conf. title of ANY KIND since 1963...wow. the Cotton Bowl in 2003 was their first new year's day bowl since the Gator Bowl in 1991...12 years in between the two...mercy.

So while at the time, it may not have seemed like an upgrade, i think it's safe to say that Cut took Ole Miss to places they hadn't been to in a long, long time. Of course Manning had something to do with that, but at the same time, you got to give it to him....

Like i said, who did they think they were in 04? this guy practically led you to the promised land as far as they were concerned.....Mr. Ed has made some noise recruiting, but at Ole Miss anyway, he's got some pretty big shoes to fill.

anyway, i dont' necessarily care too much about all that, but as i started reading the stuff on what happened while cut was there based on thier history....his tenure turns out to be pretty significant.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ May 11 said:
How many teams has ears lead to a NC?
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Tuberville was on staffs at Miami that won multiple National Titles. That easily trumps Cut's one.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Tuberville was on staffs at Miami that won multiple National Titles. That easily trumps Cut's one.
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nah, it doesn't cause Cut's was at TN :p ...the hell with "the U"!!!! :bad:
 
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