2006 Vols Biggest Surprise???

#76
#76
(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
i wouldn't call it an upgrade necessarily.... A step backward though? probably more of a lateral move, at the time anyway....

i don't recall, but what did Tubberville actually do while at Ole Miss....i know he had some big upsets while he was there, but did they ever go to any big bowl games?

here's some tid bits from the Ole Miss athletic web site:

Tubberville took them technically to two bowls...the Music CIty Bowl in 97 after an 8-4 season, and again in 98 to the Independence bowl, that Cut coached, as TT was gone for Auburn.

This directly from the website:
"Cutcliffe preceded his 2003 campaign with four winning seasons in 1999 (8-4), 2000 (7-5), 2001 (7-4) and 2002 (7-6) becoming the first Rebel mentor since Harry Mehre (1938-41) to post winning marks in his first five years. Cutcliffe also has directed Ole Miss to four bowl appearances in his first five seasons, and is the only head coach in Ole Miss history to do so."

The 2003 season, they went 10-3, tied for the Western Division with LSU...thier first conf. title of ANY KIND since 1963...wow. the Cotton Bowl in 2003 was their first new year's day bowl since the Gator Bowl in 1991...12 years in between the two...mercy.

So while at the time, it may not have seemed like an upgrade, i think it's safe to say that Cut took Ole Miss to places they hadn't been to in a long, long time. Of course Manning had something to do with that, but at the same time, you got to give it to him....

Like i said, who did they think they were in 04? this guy practically led you to the promised land as far as they were concerned.....Mr. Ed has made some noise recruiting, but at Ole Miss anyway, he's got some pretty big shoes to fill.

anyway, i dont' necessarily care too much about all that, but as i started reading the stuff on what happened while cut was there based on thier history....his tenure turns out to be pretty significant.
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Tuberville inherited probation from Billy Brewer. Cutcliffe inherited what Tuberville had built. You see what happened when Tuberville's recruits and Eli were gone how well Cut did.
 
#77
#77
(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
i wouldn't call it an upgrade necessarily.... A step backward though? probably more of a lateral move, at the time anyway....

i don't recall, but what did Tubberville actually do while at Ole Miss....i know he had some big upsets while he was there, but did they ever go to any big bowl games?

here's some tid bits from the Ole Miss athletic web site:

Tubberville took them technically to two bowls...the Music CIty Bowl in 97 after an 8-4 season, and again in 98 to the Independence bowl, that Cut coached, as TT was gone for Auburn.

This directly from the website:
"Cutcliffe preceded his 2003 campaign with four winning seasons in 1999 (8-4), 2000 (7-5), 2001 (7-4) and 2002 (7-6) becoming the first Rebel mentor since Harry Mehre (1938-41) to post winning marks in his first five years. Cutcliffe also has directed Ole Miss to four bowl appearances in his first five seasons, and is the only head coach in Ole Miss history to do so."

The 2003 season, they went 10-3, tied for the Western Division with LSU...thier first conf. title of ANY KIND since 1963...wow. the Cotton Bowl in 2003 was their first new year's day bowl since the Gator Bowl in 1991...12 years in between the two...mercy.

So while at the time, it may not have seemed like an upgrade, i think it's safe to say that Cut took Ole Miss to places they hadn't been to in a long, long time. Of course Manning had something to do with that, but at the same time, you got to give it to him....

Like i said, who did they think they were in 04? this guy practically led you to the promised land as far as they were concerned.....Mr. Ed has made some noise recruiting, but at Ole Miss anyway, he's got some pretty big shoes to fill.

anyway, i dont' necessarily care too much about all that, but as i started reading the stuff on what happened while cut was there based on thier history....his tenure turns out to be pretty significant.
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Yep jake, Cut was terrible at Ole Miss wasn't he? I mean he was one of the best they have ever had and they canned him. They're not the first school to do such and won't be the last. The thing that is amazing to me is that some of our own "fans" will bash Cut while bragging on a coach that clearly went out of his way to hire the guy for his abilities. I would guess that if Cut had continued at ND some on here would bash CPF for not being able to hold onto or re-hire him back.
 
#78
#78
(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
nah, it doesn't cause Cut's was at TN :p ...the hell with "the U"!!!! :bad:
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Another fan that hates success.
 
#79
#79
(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Tuberville was on staffs at Miami that won multiple National Titles. That easily trumps Cut's one.
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On staff and being OC is a big difference.
 
#80
#80
(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Tuberville inherited probation from Billy Brewer. Cutcliffe inherited what Tuberville had built. You see what happened when Tuberville's recruits and Eli were gone how well Cut did.
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Yep hate, one bad year and fire his ass. Have you looked up loyalty yet?
 
#81
#81
(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Tuberville inherited probation from Billy Brewer. Cutcliffe inherited what Tuberville had built. You see what happened when Tuberville's recruits and Eli were gone how well Cut did.
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It is amazing to me. You will make excuses for a coach that has no ties to your school while bashing any that do.
 
#82
#82
(VolBeef88 @ May 11 said:
I'm sure you're right hate.
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don't complain later when your called a Fulmer apologist, a Fulmerite, or a homer. You really invite that on to yourself.
 
#83
#83
(VolBeef88 @ May 11 said:
On staff and being OC is a big difference.
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Tuberville was the coordinator for at least one, I can't remember when Sonny Lubick left for Corado State, it might have been two. So, yet another defense of mini-Fulmer detonated.
 
#84
#84
(oklavol @ May 11 said:
don't complain later when your called a Fulmer apologist, a Fulmerite, or a homer. You really invite that on to yourself.
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What do you mean later? And "hate" is a nickname I gave him a long time ago. It's not meant in a bad way and he knows that.
 
#85
#85
(VolBeef88 @ May 11 said:
It is amazing to me. You will make excuses for a coach that has no ties to your school while bashing any that do.
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Please show me any bashing I've done of Bruce Pearl, Dan Brooks, John Chavis, etc.....
 
#86
#86
(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Tuberville was the coordinator for at least one, I can't remember when Sonny Lubick left for Corado State, it might have been two. So, yet another defense of mini-Fulmer detonated.
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Are you sure he was OC at the U? If so it was only one I'm pretty sure which would make them have how many a piece?
 
#87
#87
(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Tuberville inherited probation from Billy Brewer. Cutcliffe inherited what Tuberville had built. You see what happened when Tuberville's recruits and Eli were gone how well Cut did.
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shocker!!! But tubberville left on his own....and cut was the guy that took over...nothing can be done about that....and it still doesn't take away the fact that Cut was the HC during all that time...the guy making all the decisions etc....sure, it probably helped that he had some talent hold over from the 97 and 98 seasons, but c'mon, he does deserve some credit doesn't he? Someone had to coach those teams....it wasn't like he was sitting on the sidelines in an easy chair during practice and games letting the talent do what it could do....i hear what your saying, and i'll grant you that there's some validity to that, but to say it's THE reason, isn't 100% accurate.

And Cut only got one year after the 03 season...he was there for 7 years...Tubs guys were probably all but gone after year 3....maybe a few redshirt hold overs in year 4...but by and large by 2000 and 2001 for sure, those teams were cut's teams...

he had one bad year, the FIRST bad year mind you, in 2004, and it was out the door with him....pretty arrogant imo based on what he'd done the previous 6 years, and where you were coming from the previous 5-10 years before that.
 
#88
#88
(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Please show me any bashing I've done of Bruce Pearl, Dan Brooks, John Chavis, etc.....
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I stand corrected hate. I should have said "many" that do.
 
#89
#89
I don't see the hate for Cut. He might just not be the best HC. If he is such a bad coach, why would an offensive genius, like Charlie Weis, hire him as his OC? I'm not expecting him to be our savior, but I do expect a turnaround. He is instilling discipline to a team that really lacked it in the past years.
 
#90
#90
(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Another fan that hates success.
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nah, i love success...i just love success at TN more than any other place....and i just hate miami... :biggrin2:
 
#91
#91
Reality Check:

When Miami won the NC in 1987, Tuberville was 1 year removed from being a graduate assistant coach (according to his Auburn bio) in 1986, he was
3 years removed from that prestigious position when they won in 89.

Tubby didn't become defensive coordinator at Miami until 1993 when they went 9-3.

Tubby had coached at Arkansas St. prior to taking the Miami gig. That's one of those bottom feeder schools where all the experience is meaningless, according to some authorities.

So much for trumping Cutcliffe. :birgits_giggle:
 
#92
#92
(VolBeef88 @ May 11 said:
What do you mean later? And "hate" is a nickname I gave him a long time ago. It's not meant in a bad way and he knows that.
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no one in this thread has called you any of those names and how is calling someone hate not meant in a bad way? that is suppose to be an affectionate nickname?
 
#93
#93
(hvwarrior58 @ May 11 said:
I don't see the hate for Cut. He might just not be the best HC. If he is such a bad coach, why would an offensive genius, like Charlie Weis, hire him as his OC? I'm not expecting him to be our savior, but I do expect a turnaround. He is instilling discipline to a team that really lacked it in the past years.
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according to the OleMiss athletic web site, he's the best Head Coach they've had since John Vaught himself.... :D
 
#94
#94
(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
according to the OleMiss athletic web site, he's the best Head Coach they've had since John Vaught himself.... :D
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That's an accurate statement. His win percentage confirms it.
 
#95
#95
(oklavol @ May 11 said:
no one in this thread has called you any of those names and how is calling someone hate not meant in a bad way? that is suppose to be an affectionate nickname?
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Like the saying "don't hate the player hate the game". I'ts not meant affectionately either, I think hate would not want me to be affectionate with him. I also called him the Grinch once. I think he knows that I don't think he is a fury green guy.
 
#96
#96
The Missys probably would have given Cutcliffe another year or two to get back on the winning side of things if it was not for all the success that Tuberville was having at Auburn. IMO many Missys felt cheated by Tuberville's defection and they thought that it would have been Old Miss contending for NCs if he had stayed. In that environment, all it took was a big leap backward in one season to get Cut axed.
 
#97
#97
(OldVol @ May 11 said:
Reality Check:

When Miami won the NC in 1987, Tuberville was 1 year removed from being a graduate assistant coach (according to his Auburn bio) in 1986, he was
3 years removed from that prestigious position when they won in 89.

Tubby didn't become defensive coordinator at Miami until 1993 when they went 9-3.

Tubby had coached at Arkansas St. prior to taking the Miami gig. That's one of those bottom feeder schools where all the experience is meaningless, according to some authorities.

So much for trumping Cutcliffe. :birgits_giggle:
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Now why did you have to go look up facts and bring them into the conversation?
 
#98
#98
(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
shocker!!! But tubberville left on his own....and cut was the guy that took over...nothing can be done about that....and it still doesn't take away the fact that Cut was the HC during all that time...the guy making all the decisions etc....sure, it probably helped that he had some talent hold over from the 97 and 98 seasons, but c'mon, he does deserve some credit doesn't he? Someone had to coach those teams....it wasn't like he was sitting on the sidelines in an easy chair during practice and games letting the talent do what it could do....i hear what your saying, and i'll grant you that there's some validity to that, but to say it's THE reason, isn't 100% accurate.

And Cut only got one year after the 03 season...he was there for 7 years...Tubs guys were probably all but gone after year 3....maybe a few redshirt hold overs in year 4...but by and large by 2000 and 2001 for sure, those teams were cut's teams...

he had one bad year, the FIRST bad year mind you, in 2004, and it was out the door with him....pretty arrogant imo based on what he'd done the previous 6 years, and where you were coming from the previous 5-10 years before that.
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Was Ole Miss quick on the draw? Probably. That said, would I rather have a guy with a handful of National championship rings and recognized as one of the key recruiting forces behind the Miami and USC dynasties as my head coach? Yes. Also, that which must be done inevitably should be done immediately. Ole Miss firmly believed Cutcliffe wasn't going to get them where they wanted to go without major staff changes. Cutcliffe refused to make said changes. At that point, it makes perfect sense to move on.
 
#99
#99
(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 11 said:
The Missys probably would have given Cutcliffe another year or two to get back on the winning side of things if it was not for all the success that Tuberville was having at Auburn. IMO many Missys felt cheated by Tuberville's defection and they thought that it would have been Old Miss contending for NCs if he had stayed. In that environment, all it took was a big leap backward in one season to get Cut axed.
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There are a few truths that people need to accept. One is; Ole Miss is not Auburn!
 
#100
#100
(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 11 said:
The Missys probably would have given Cutcliffe another year or two to get back on the winning side of things if it was not for all the success that Tuberville was having at Auburn. IMO many Missys felt cheated by Tuberville's defection and they thought that it would have been Old Miss contending for NCs if he had stayed. In that environment, all it took was a big leap backward in one season to get Cut axed.
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I really think it was power struggle and Cut lost. Most good HC don't want to be told who to and who not to fire/hire. The staff of a coach is an extension of that coach. Thats one of the reasons why assistant coaches are moved so quickly in and out.
 
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