2012 SF Derek Reese - New TN Commit

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bleedingTNorange said:
still am hoping he decides to go to prep school, JMO though.
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Well, if they had someone else to give his scholarship to or if I really thought they could land 6 guys in 2013 then I would say prep school too. If, however, there isn't really anyone lined up for 2012, then it's probably best to get him on campus, red shirt him and get him in a college weight program and working out with the team.
 
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zansdad said:
Well, if they had someone else to give his scholarship to or if I really thought they could land 6 guys in 2013 then I would say prep school too. If, however, there isn't really anyone lined up for 2012, then it's probably best to get him on campus, red shirt him and get him in a college weight program and working out with the team.
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I agree about this year.

However, I truly think we can sign 6 guys, 5 more, in next years class easy. And I'd say we could sign 5 more who are better "recruits" than Reese. It'd be nice to have that extra scholly next year for another post guy, like Edwards. We need to sign 2 posts next year IMO, unless CCM knows stokes is for sure staying. So signing 2 posts only leave you 2 other guys to sign, and I don't want to turn away anybody like hubbs, thornwell, Johnson, Crawford, foster, stephenson etc etc...all those guys are improvements.

Jmo though
 
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I'm in the same boat. We probably shouldn't take him even if we can't sign one more in this class or 2013. Just save the scholly. We'll see though.
 
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an SEC ride at this point. I wouldn't if I were him. He might have a hard time getting a JUCO scholarship based on his senior season. His AAU coach did a great job of parlaying two good weeks in the summer into a scholarship he wouldn't have gotten if the coaches had watched him over a longer period of time.
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I'm in the same boat. We probably shouldn't take him even if we can't sign one more in this class or 2013. Just save the scholly. We'll see though.
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germanicus said:
an SEC ride at this point. I wouldn't if I were him. He might have a hard time getting a JUCO scholarship based on his senior season. His AAU coach did a great job of parlaying two good weeks in the summer into a scholarship he wouldn't have gotten if the coaches had watched him over a longer period of time.
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Be fair, he'd easily get a juco scholarship, I mean he still would go d1, just not high major like he is now.

As you said though, at this point I'm sure he's thrilled to just be on a SEC team and going to a campus like Tennessee. Maybe after a year of no PT and hard practices hell scholar to transfer.
 
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Let’s give CCM the benefit of the doubt, he was piecing recruiting classes together the last 2 years, he has been following the same blueprint Matt Painter did at Purdue, do the best they can and lay the ground work for a big class 3 years down the road, once he has had time to build relationships. CCM focus has always been the 2013 class, it appears it will pay off.
 
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I still haven't seen him. Can he spot up and knock down the shot? If he can, that's a piece of a puzzle that CM might be putting together. Outside of Ky, you can't get a bunch of the same type player and build a team, and we need shooters and decent ballhandlers.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I still haven't seen him. Can he spot up and knock down the shot? If he can, that's a piece of a puzzle that CM might be putting together. Outside of Ky, you can't get a bunch of the same type player and build a team, and we need shooters and decent ballhandlers.
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I haven't seen much of him, but my guess is no. That's solely going off that he was a 23% 3 point shooter his senior year. Maybe I'm wrong and when spotting up he's money, but I'm doubting it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I haven't seen much of him, but my guess is no. That's solely going off that he was a 23% 3 point shooter his senior year. Maybe I'm wrong and when spotting up he's money, but I'm doubting it.
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Stats i saw showed he was a 42% shooter from the 2 and 29% from the 3. Was also pretty streaky. Scored double digits in half his games and 4 to 6 in the other half.
and I believe he played on a team that spread the ball around and had pretty balanced scoring.
Not saying he's a find but coach says his upside is his willingness to work to improve. Martin type guy. solid on defense.
 
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calban said:
Stats i saw showed he was a 42% shooter from the 2 and 29% from the 3. Was also pretty streaky. Scored double digits in half his games and 4 to 6 in the other half.
and I believe he played on a team that spread the ball around and had pretty balanced scoring.
Not saying he's a find but coach says his upside is his willingness to work to improve. Martin type guy. solid on defense.
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At this point we aren't signing anyone else for 2012 so I'm all for bringing him and seeing what he has got. If at the end of the year he's as useful as washpun well hopefully hell follow Wes and transfer.

His strong point supposedly was being able to hit the 3, and 23 or 29% is not very good, at all. Maybe I'm way off base but he just reminds me off swiperboy 2.0

The fact he could only muster 4-6 points in half his games in high school really worries me though. Either he's just not aggressive, doesn't try, or really just isn't very good.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
At this point we aren't signing anyone else for 2012 so I'm all for bringing him and seeing what he has got. If at the end of the year he's as useful as washpun well hopefully hell follow Wes and transfer.

His strong point supposedly was being able to hit the 3, and 23 or 29% is not very good, at all. Maybe I'm way off base but he just reminds me off swiperboy 2.0

The fact he could only muster 4-6 points in half his games in high school really worries me though. Either he's just not aggressive, doesn't try, or really just isn't very good.
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His defensive stats are better than his offensive.
Had 12 games rebounding in double digits with 5 double doubles, 3 of those in last 30 days of the season.
Like I say, he looks like one of those defensive players that Martin thinks he can coach up on offense.
If we judged Maymon by his 3 pt shooting he wouldn't be much.
 
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calban said:
His defensive stats are better than his offensive.
Had 12 games rebounding in double digits with 5 double doubles, 3 of those in last 30 days of the season.
Like I say, he looks like one of those defensive players that Martin thinks he can coach up on offense.
If we judged Maymon by his 3 pt shooting he wouldn't be much.
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Yea but maymon also plays the 5, and scored double figures in every sec game this year. If this guy can't score double figures in high school I don't feel great about hi chances doing it in the SEC.

I get the defense part but isnt that what Richardson was? I mean how many defense guys are we gonna take and hope to teach them offense. I still stand by my theory that CCM took his committment very early not sure how succesful the recruiting would be. If he had it to do over I personally do not think Reese would be on his way to Knoxville.

He's a position that is filled with guys, and there simply isn't enough minutes for them all in his 9 man rotation. Chievous, Reese, mcbee, Edwards, McRae, Richardson, Moore are all competing at 2 position. That's 7 scholarships on 2 positions, and 6 for 3 other positions. I just don't think it was the best move, but as I said I'm if he had it to do over Reese would be on his way here. There's a reason he had no other high major d1 offers, his list looked about like washpuns.

As I said though we aren't gonna sign anyone else for 2012 so bring him in. If he amounts to what washpun did well as I said hopefully hell leave and not take a scholarship away from us for the 2013 class.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yea but maymon also plays the 5, and scored double figures in every sec game this year. If this guy can't score double figures in high school I don't feel great about hi chances doing it in the SEC.

I get the defense part but isnt that what Richardson was? I mean how many defense guys are we gonna take and hope to teach them offense. I still stand by my theory that CCM took his committment very early not sure how succesful the recruiting would be. If he had it to do over I personally do not think Reese would be on his way to Knoxville.

He's a position that is filled with guys, and there simply isn't enough minutes for them all in his 9 man rotation. Chievous, Reese, mcbee, Edwards, McRae, Richardson, Moore are all competing at 2 position. That's 7 scholarships on 2 positions, and 6 for 3 other positions. I just don't think it was the best move, but as I said I'm if he had it to do over Reese would be on his way here. There's a reason he had no other high major d1 offers, his list looked about like washpuns.

As I said though we aren't gonna sign anyone else for 2012 so bring him in. If he amounts to what washpun did well as I said hopefully hell leave and not take a scholarship away from us for the 2013 class.
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None the less, he's already a VFL (present at FL game) an I just think he'll be one of those guys that blossoms under Martin's tutoring.

Signee Derek Reese impressed with Vols' run : govolsxtra.com
 
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zansdad said:
Maymon plays the 4 as long as Stokes, Yemi, or Hall is on the floor.
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Actually maymon usually is guarding the opposing 5. That's why maymon was verse Davis and stokes verse jones, and maymon vs drummon and stokes verse oriakhi etc etc.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Actually maymon usually is guarding the opposing 5. That's why maymon was verse Davis and stokes verse jones, and maymon vs drummon and stokes verse oriakhi etc etc.
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We've had this arguement before. Stokes and Hall always guard the other teams center (if that team has a true center). It's better to say Maymon guards the more mobile or perimeter oriented player of the opponent. Which is usually the PF. Stokes rarely leaves the paint on either end of the floor.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Washpun was also a VFL but that didn't help much on the court. As I said, he's coming so lets see what he's got this year. IMO, I'd be shocked if he played significant minutes.
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Might as well accept it. Martin is going to recruit defense first.
He's also going to get his defense established before he starts to recruit big on offense.
You won't be seeing any Hopsons on his recruiting list.
I think you'll see the biggest improvements on defense next season and more dribble penetration on offense.
We'll win more games next season, but I don't expect anything earth shattering unless he lands big time in the 013 014 recruiting classes.
 
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zansdad said:
We've had this arguement before. Stokes and Hall always guard the other teams center (if that team has a true center). It's better to say Maymon guards the more mobile or perimeter oriented player of the opponent. Which is usually the PF. Stokes rarely leaves the paint on either end of the floor.
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I remember stokes guarding Murphy and maymon guarding young but ok.

And I'd definitely say jones and oriakhi were both the PF and stokes guarded both them, while maymon guarded Davis and Drummond, both true centers.

Neither one is a true center, both are PFs. I guess we can agree to disagree but I've definitely seen maymon guarding the opposing teams center more often than stokes.
 
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calban said:
Might as well accept it. Martin is going to recruit defense first.
He's also going to get his defense established before he starts to recruit big on offense.
You won't be seeing any Hopsons on his recruiting list.
I think you'll see the biggest improvements on defense next season and more dribble penetration on offense.
We'll win more games next season, but I don't expect anything earth shattering unless he lands big time in the 013 014 recruiting classes.
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Stokes was definitely not a defense first player, that is evident.

And many of the guys he's after in 2013 are offenses first...king, hubbs, thornwell, Newkirk etc etc
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I remember stokes guarding Murphy and maymon guarding young but ok.

And I'd definitely say jones and oriakhi were both the PF and stokes guarded both them, while maymon guarded Davis and Drummond, both true centers.

Neither one is a true center, both are PFs. I guess we can agree to disagree but I've definitely seen maymon guarding the opposing teams center more often than stokes.
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I don't think Stokes played Murphy out at the 3 Pt line. Also, Stoke played against Ezili(sp?) because Ezili ate him up on both ends of the floor in Nashville. Also, Stokes guarded Chubb when they played Auburn and Chubb is definetely a center. As far as Jones, I think that was because Davis spent most of the UT game in foul trouble so Jones became the UK Center and MKG moved to their PF spot. UCONN was in so much foul trouble it was hard to tell, but I think if Drummund was in the game Stokes had him.

And yes, both are more PF than centers, but Stokes tends to draw the more Center type player on the other team. And we can agree to disagree if you like, but about this I am 100% positive. Maymon only plays the other teams center when there is no other choice; when Woolrdige started and when they went 4 guards.

edit: as much as I hate posting a link to UK on here, this is a link to the UK-UT game in Lex. There is only one time in this entire highlight when you see Stokes on the floor and he isn't within a foot of Anthony Davis. If the link doesn't take you straight to the game it is on page 12 University of Kentucky Official Athletic Site
 
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The 2nd game verse UK Davis was not in foul trouble and maymon drew him...

I don't think it was as cut and dry as you're saying, there were definitely instances I remember many of that maymon was on the C and stokes the PF.

Maybe stokes was guarding the C 60-40 but I dont think it was 100% of the time when they were on the floor together that he was. As I said I remember maymon on young the majority of the time.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The 2nd game verse UK Davis was not in foul trouble and maymon drew him...

I don't think it was as cut and dry as you're saying, there were definitely instances I remember many of that maymon was on the PF and stokes the C.

Maybe stokes was guarding the C 60-40 but I dont think it was 100% of the time when they were on the floor together.
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check the edit on my previous post.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Stokes was definitely not a defense first player, that is evident.

And many of the guys he's after in 2013 are offenses first...king, hubbs, thornwell, Newkirk etc etc
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Stokes definitely was known as a very good player in post defense in high school. He was also an excellent rebounder. He wasn't great on defense this year, but that's understandable. He'll be a beast on defense by the end of next season.

Check the blurbs of the other players you mentioned.
There aren't any slackers on defense.
 
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