2012 SF Derek Reese - New TN Commit

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pl3 said:
For the record, I don't care what the star count or offer list is as long as a kid can play ball. People don't understand how many good players are out there, and that some are noticed more than others because of created hype. There are SEC players that couldn't crack the lineup at mid majors and mid major players that would crack the lineup on an SEC squad. And yes, i'll take a team with some ball players that is intense, has good schemes, and good coaching all day. Not sure what your point is there. I supported BP, but we only had one "basketball" player on the team last year and it was Harris.
Problem is that most around here want to compare recruits to Cal's at ky. Well, we'll never get those types of players, so get over it. Cal is abusing a system that allows him to. UT can't and won't.
Last. I wasn't really even referencing you with the idiocy comment. Other earlier comments suited it better.
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Sorry to bust your bubble but you, me and everybody on this site are stargazers. We simply do not get excited about 2 and 3 star bball players. Especially with offer lists of Weber State and whoever else. We know and you know that TN cannot compete in the SEC with B-list players. We have to recruit and play top tier players. It is as simple as that. For those of you who claim to not be Star Gazers, just simply, what else is there to look at? Film? Are you kidding me? Coaches don't even get a lot of info on film. Character? Where would you find that? Basketball/football saavy? Is that on here? NO.

We all look at this site and other recruiting sites so we can feel better about the future. ANd the only way we have of measuring the future is by adding up the total stars on the commit/considering lists and divide it by the number of players on that list and the average needs to be more than everybody else. If not, we are not as happy as we would be if the average was higher than everybody else. Or, if Rivals/Scout/etc., were to rank us #1 using their formulas based purely on the star system, then we feel good about our recruiting. IF not, we have been beaten. And we do not like to be beaten.

So there.
 
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pl3 said:
For the record, I don't care what the star count or offer list is as long as a kid can play ball. People don't understand how many good players are out there, and that some are noticed more than others because of created hype. There are SEC players that couldn't crack the lineup at mid majors and mid major players that would crack the lineup on an SEC squad. And yes, i'll take a team with some ball players that is intense, has good schemes, and good coaching all day. Not sure what your point is there. I supported BP, but we only had one "basketball" player on the team last year and it was Harris.
Problem is that most around here want to compare recruits to Cal's at ky. Well, we'll never get those types of players, so get over it. Cal is abusing a system that allows him to. UT can't and won't.
Last. I wasn't really even referencing you with the idiocy comment. Other earlier comments suited it better.
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My point is that we should be getting Top 150 players and then coaching them up like the mid-majors do. That's how you win. It's not either/or. It's both. We're Tennessee. We have the best facilities in America. We are Top-5 in attendance. We should be able to do that.
 
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byobbio said:
Sorry to bust your bubble but you, me and everybody on this site are stargazers. We simply do not get excited about 2 and 3 star bball players. Especially with offer lists of Weber State and whoever else. We know and you know that TN cannot compete in the SEC with B-list players. We have to recruit and play top tier players. It is as simple as that. For those of you who claim to not be Star Gazers, just simply, what else is there to look at? Film? Are you kidding me? Coaches don't even get a lot of info on film. Character? Where would you find that? Basketball/football saavy? Is that on here? NO.

We all look at this site and other recruiting sites so we can feel better about the future. ANd the only way we have of measuring the future is by adding up the total stars on the commit/considering lists and divide it by the number of players on that list and the average needs to be more than everybody else. If not, we are not as happy as we would be if the average was higher than everybody else. Or, if Rivals/Scout/etc., were to rank us #1 using their formulas based purely on the star system, then we feel good about our recruiting. IF not, we have been beaten. And we do not like to be beaten.

So there.
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I don't look at any recruiting sites. Has Butler been loading up with 4 and 5 stars as they make repeated title runs? I trust a staff of coaches, who is led by a coach who played under Keady, signed an NBA contract, and got the most out of a mid major squad.
Last year TN had 4 star talent lined on the bench. Hall still hasn't shown squat, Maymon was hs poy twice in his state, Golden was demoted from backup, 5 star Hopson disappeared, and 4 star McRae couldn't get off the bench due to his lack of fundamentals and attitude. Hell, they couldn't run or defend a pick and roll, which is the base of offense when you start playing at the age of 7. And coaches don't watch film? They can't/don't ask coaches, friends, teachers about character? Where did you get this bad info?
Look, you need a pg that knows how to play. You need a big man that can finish inside. You need a role player that knows spacing/rebounding/picking, etc, and you need 2/3 spot up shooters for drive and dish or in and out game, and 2 guys that are good in the open court. That's a team that will win games over their career and become a solid team as they play together. It doesn't have anything to do with stars or recruiting services.
BP's best team had Bradshaw, Lofton and Jujuan in the starting lineup. Did they even have 4 stars combined?
 
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WesternKyVol said:
My point is that we should be getting Top 150 players and then coaching them up like the mid-majors do. That's how you win. It's not either/or. It's both. We're Tennessee. We have the best facilities in America. We are Top-5 in attendance. We should be able to do that.
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We were informed last week that we weren't going to be on probation, have a postseason ban, or lose schollies. This, after being drug through the mud the entire year last year.
You guys expect top 100 players to jump right in? That's not how it works.
 
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SGMVols said:
I love how everyone on this site preaches patience with Dooley (who has taken several commitments from players with lackluster offer lists) but is ready to run Martin out of town over taking ONE guy like that.
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Not defending Dooley but basketball and football recruiting are completely different. More room for error in football.
 
#81
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I have to hope CM knows what he is doing. I have said that UT BB is going to go through a period of mediocrity when Pearl had to leave. With all of his faults, BP breathed life into this program and then really messed it up. Kinda like Fulmer. CM has come in on a low point with little talent on hand and a shortage on credibility. I hope he can use past success to build on, but it won't be overnight.
 
#82
#82
WesternKyVol said:
Umm, the bold part is outlandish. Pearl had to go. I agreed with the decision. To say that his success was just hype, however, is beyond ridiculous.
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The bold part is only outlandish if you lack reading comprehension and take it out of context, ignoring the rest of what I said. I did not say it was Hype I said it was mostly on a PR level. No one was interested in mens basketball here before he came. He drummed up enthusiasm put an exciting brand of play on the court and raised a lot of money. Those are his biggest contributions. Outside of one year his record on the court was decent at best. His record in developing talent is also in question. How many guys with NBA talent played for him? How many are playing in the NBA?

Not taking away from what the guy did just trying to put what he actually did in perspective instead of as you said hyping things he did not. Bruce Pearl could because of his PR contributions end of the most important coach in UT basketball history. The things he did to get fired were not so bad that the program will pay for it. But him leaving was the best thing for both parties.

There is no way he could have consistently lived up to the expectations UT basketball fans now have for this program. So best he exit stage left and let them find someone that can take the program he built to the next level. Is CCM that guy? Who the heck knows? But, his past track record says he could be. He plays the type of ball that wins in March. Might not be so exciting to watch in December but if you are consistently playing every March people learn to deal with that (look to the states of North Carolina and Kentucky for proof).

In the future if you are going to quote one of my posts actually comprehend the whole post instead of taking one line out of context.
 
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#83
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pl3 said:
I don't look at any recruiting sites. Has Butler been loading up with 4 and 5 stars as they make repeated title runs? I trust a staff of coaches, who is led by a coach who played under Keady, signed an NBA contract, and got the most out of a mid major squad.
Last year TN had 4 star talent lined on the bench. Hall still hasn't shown squat, Maymon was hs poy twice in his state, Golden was demoted from backup, 5 star Hopson disappeared, and 4 star McRae couldn't get off the bench due to his lack of fundamentals and attitude. Hell, they couldn't run or defend a pick and roll, which is the base of offense when you start playing at the age of 7. And coaches don't watch film? They can't/don't ask coaches, friends, teachers about character? Where did you get this bad info?
Look, you need a pg that knows how to play. You need a big man that can finish inside. You need a role player that knows spacing/rebounding/picking, etc, and you need 2/3 spot up shooters for drive and dish or in and out game, and 2 guys that are good in the open court. That's a team that will win games over their career and become a solid team as they play together. It doesn't have anything to do with stars or recruiting services.
BP's best team had Bradshaw, Lofton and Jujuan in the starting lineup. Did they even have 4 stars combined?
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You don't look at recruiting sites? Let me double-check. Yep. You are ON a recruiting site! Yes, there is some other stuff on here, but by and large, this is a recruiting site. We "borrow" information from other sites and in a lot of cases, readers (except sabanoccio) bring valuable information about, you guessed it, recruiting! And those other sites (TOS, in case you didn't know what that meant) are also recruiting sites! You want info about Tennessee Football, go to govolsxtra.com. You want real recruiting information, go to Volnation.com. Simple as that.

I never said you couldn't win with 2 star players. But, I don't remember getting all wet and creamy over signing Nick Reviez. He walked on. Earned a scholarship and is pursuing an NFL career. But, I would be willing to bet that you didn't camp out at his house and ask all his friends and get all geeked up to find out if he was going to walk on here or take a scholarship somewhere else. You know why? Because bringing in Nick Reviez did nothing for our bragging rights with other schools. Simple as that.

If you are simply a Fall football and winter basketball fan, then so be it. But if you are obsessed with everything about UT football and basketball as i am, then you are obligated to read all there is to know about UT football and crutin. And the way you do that is to read all the sites including recruiting sites.

And for the record, you failed to mention Tobias Harris (5*), who had a national press conference, televised by ESPN, with Syracuse fans and KY fans, and other team's fans from around the country hanging on every word during his press conference and hoping, just maybe, that they get his verbal pledge. And tell me straight, if you follow TN basketball, you and me and everybody else got goosebumps when he formally announced that he was attending Tennessee. We all were giddy and he didn't disappoint.

That, my friend, is what following recruiting is all about.
 
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Considering the fans on this board why would any prospect come to this program. They eat their young.
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Reese averaged just 10.2 points and 6.6 rebounds per game last year, shooting 45% from the field (41% on 3s) and 85% from the line.
Derek Reese Basketball Stats - Olympia 10-11 - MaxPreps

Named 5th team all-county last year:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...0402_1_first-academy-kevin-sutton-tyler-coons

Sounds like he had a pretty strong summer, though:
Reese is Rising
Reese has Four in Front|Source Hoops
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-07-26/sports/os-hs-aau-nationals-0727-20110726_1_super-showcase-espn-wide-world-grade-national-championship
 
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onevol74 said:
Considering the fans on this board why would any prospect come to this program. They eat their young.
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It would appear that way. But, I do love anybody in orange. And truth be told, the guys who come in w/o much fanfare end up being my favorites.
 
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We had losses to Oakland, Charlotte and Charleston.... Squeaked by Belmont and Martin. Who knows if we could have beaten Muarry.
 
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byobbio said:
It would appear that way. But, I do love anybody in orange. And truth be told, the guys who come in w/o much fanfare end up being my favorites.
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To answer your longer message. No, I'm not on any site for recruiting knowledge to come my way by people who didn't evaluate, coach or play past the Jr high level, which is 90% of you. That's not why I'm on here. I don't know anything about this kid, nor do any of you, but you and others opine as if you do. That's ridiculous to me. If you are 100% psycho over all things vol/ recruiting, that's your call. Maybe that's why I can handle UPS and downs as others freak out.
And yes. Landing tobias was cool. Fun while it lasted. I'd take a role player that plays for 4 yrs over his one year right now. Wow, its great that ut had a first round NBA pick that played for one season. Who gives a flip.
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Perhaps we should allow Coach Martin to finish his recruiting class before evaluating it. Every recruiting class has complimentary players along with high profile players. I don't think Coach fell off the turnip truck. He realizes he is going to need guys that can create shots as well as role guys that provide rebounding and defense. Let's see how the entire recruiting class turns out then we can discuss it intelligently. One player having given a verbal doesn't mean the end to our recruiting class. Does anyone know how many schollies we have to offer?
 
#91
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Look at that offer list, we should be competing for championships for sure now. I hope Martin does not buy a house.
 
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This probably isn't the right forum to post this in... But I ran into a guy a few days ago who had a Missouri State basketball backpack on, so naturally I asked him if he got to play for Coach Martin. He said unfortunately he ran out of eligibility the year that Cuonzo was hired there, but he still got to work out and practice with the team. He said that he would've done anything to have another year and get to play under CM. He was just basically telling me how awesome of a coach that CM is and that every player loved him! He also said that the TN fanbase is extremely lucky to have a man and a role model like CM as our coach. He said that with the basketball knowledge and work ethic that CM has, we will have an extremely good team in a couple of years once CM can get his own players. He also said that everybody at Missouri State was distraught over losing CM.

Not sure if anyone else will appreciate that, but I got pretty excited after hearing all of that come from a guy who had been around CM and the players who played for CM.
 
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This thread further proves that the majority of the UT fan base know NOTHING about basketball or basketball recruiting. This is not football recruiting folks, in basketball it only takes a guy or two to create a great class and team. Patience
 
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"It's funny, I've heard a couple of times people wonder if I can recruit big-time players. I recruited in the Big 10 for eight years. I've seen talent, and I know what I'm looking for.''
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-Coach Martin
 
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pimo1 said:
The bold part is only outlandish if you lack reading comprehension and take it out of context, ignoring the rest of what I said. I did not say it was Hype I said it was mostly on a PR level. No one was interested in mens basketball here before he came. He drummed up enthusiasm put an exciting brand of play on the court and raised a lot of money. Those are his biggest contributions. Outside of one year his record on the court was decent at best. His record in developing talent is also in question. How many guys with NBA talent played for him? How many are playing in the NBA?

Not taking away from what the guy did just trying to put what he actually did in perspective instead of as you said hyping things he did not. Bruce Pearl could because of his PR contributions end of the most important coach in UT basketball history. The things he did to get fired were not so bad that the program will pay for it. But him leaving was the best thing for both parties.

There is no way he could have consistently lived up to the expectations UT basketball fans now have for this program. So best he exit stage left and let them find someone that can take the program he built to the next level. Is CCM that guy? Who the heck knows? But, his past track record says he could be. He plays the type of ball that wins in March. Might not be so exciting to watch in December but if you are consistently playing every March people learn to deal with that (look to the states of North Carolina and Kentucky for proof).

In the future if you are going to quote one of my posts actually comprehend the whole post instead of taking one line out of context.
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You clearly stated/implied that Pearl's on the court success was not impressive.
 
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I want to give CM the benefit of the doubt, but I believe his aim on recruits should be higher. This kid has yet to play his senior year and CM might see something that nobody else sees at this time. I hope UT BB mediocrity doesn't last but a year or two.
 
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AlaskaVol said:
3 miserable years of low scoring "defensive" bball until Bruce comes back with a fun system players want to play for. Play ball faster and score more and players will come.

Three years of waiting.
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Bruce ran a boring system for the last 3 years
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WesternKyVol said:
You clearly stated/implied that Pearl's on the court success was not impressive.
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Bruce won by team/coach effort, enthusiasm, and above average opponent scouting. He didn't win by in game x's and o's coaching or by playing better " basketball" than other teams.
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