2013 F Austin Nichols (Memphis Briarcrest)

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ukvols said:
I'm not sure who's the bigger basketball junkie - the Memphis fan who rematches games his team lost or the Tennessee fan who rematches games not involving the Vols. BTO, I bet you're nasty in office bracket pools.
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Is basketball junkie a codename for loser?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Which is why I said likely. Pastner will have to win a game in the tourney most likely to face a ranked team, and we all know how likely that is.
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If 4 years of history were a sufficient sample size to make predictions like this, that would mean that you expect CCM to never make an NCAA tournament, right?

You're not turning on Martin, are you?
 
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MemphisCanes said:
If 4 years of history were a sufficient sample size to make predictions like this, that would mean that you expect CCM to never make an NCAA tournament, right?

You're not turning on Martin, are you?
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Has Martin beaten a ranked opponent?

I'm simply going of probabilities. Pastner has underachieved all 3 years, he is doing it again. He hasn't beaten a ranked team in 3 years and it appears he will fail to again. He hasn't won a NCAA game in 3 years, so....I'm saying I wouldn't hold my breath on him changing that streak this year.

Would you honestly feel comfortable putting down 10k that Pastner wins a NCAA game this year? I wouldn't.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Has Martin beaten a ranked opponent?

I'm simply going of probabilities. Pastner has underachieved all 3 years, he is doing it again. He hasn't beaten a ranked team in 3 years and it appears he will fail to again. He hasn't won a NCAA game in 3 years, so....I'm saying I wouldn't hold my breath on him changing that streak this year.

Would you honestly feel comfortable putting down 10k that Pastner wins a NCAA game this year? I wouldn't.
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Has he been to the NCAA's?

Based on history, I guess Martin will never go, right? That's what you're arguing.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Has he been to the NCAA's?

Based on history, I guess Martin will never go, right? That's what you're arguing.
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No Clark that's not what I'm arguing. Unlike Pastner, Martin has shown that he may actually improve as a coach and break the trend. Pastner in year 4, looks very similar to Pastner in year 1. Martin in year 2 already looks better than he did in year 1 at UT.

One seems to be trending upwards, the other at best, seems to be staying on the same plane.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
No Clark that's not what I'm arguing. Unlike Pastner, Martin has shown that he may actually improve as a coach and break the trend. Pastner in year 4, looks very similar to Pastner in year 1. Martin in year 2 already looks better than he did in year 1 at UT.

One seems to be trending upwards, the other at best, seems to be staying on the same plane.
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You really think that UT is looking better this season than last? UT got absolutely dominated by a UVA team who probably won't even make the dance.

I'm not trying to offend Martin here, but you brought it up. Martin's guys still look absolutely lost against even the most rudimentary zone defense, which has been the case for 2 years now. Yet it's obvious that he can coach and Pastner can't?

Again, I'm only bringing this up because you made the comparison.
 
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If you need help...

Last year through 8 games...

3-5

Best win: UNC Greensboro
Bad Losses: Austin Peay & Oakland

This year through 8 games...

5-3

Best win: #23 Wichita State
Bad Losses: none


Stevie Wonder could see the improvement my friend.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If you need help...

Last year through 8 games...

3-5

Best win: UNC Greensboro
Bad Losses: Austin Peay & Oakland

This year through 8 games...

5-3

Best win: #23 Wichita State
Bad Losses: none


Stevie Wonder could see the improvement my friend.
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True, but setting the bar on the floor last year doesn't make us a good team now.
I agree with the criticism of Pastner, and it's frustrating that kids we recruit continue to want to play there.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Well, if you're just giving up on the discussion, then so am I. But for discussion's sake...

Why are you comparing the December 2012 Vols to the December 2011 Vols and not the March 2012 Vols?
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I see your point, but if this season's second half resembles last season's second half, we'll make the Dance with ease.
 
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ukvols said:
I see your point, but if this season's second half resembles last season's second half, we'll make the Dance with ease.
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I hope so. But the SEC is down this season, and will probably only get about 5 teams in. UT is among several playing for that 5th spot. I'm pulling for them.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I hope so. But the SEC is down this season, and will probably only get about 5 teams in. UT is among several playing for that 5th spot. I'm pulling for them.
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The SEC being down works two ways. It limits the chances of an RPI-boosting win, but it also increases the odds of a good conference record. UT's RPI is at a point where avoiding a bad loss out of conference and finishing in the Top 4-5 of the league should be enough.
 
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ukvols said:
The SEC being down works two ways. It limits the chances of an RPI-boosting win, but it also increases the odds of a good conference record. UT's RPI is at a point where avoiding a bad loss out of conference and finishing in the Top 4-5 of the league should be enough.
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The top 4-5 of the league will be enough. The top 3 seeds are going to be Florida, Kentucky and Mizzou in no particular order. That leaves Tennessee vying with Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas and TAMU for the last 2.

Not unobtainable by any means, but Tennessee will have to earn it's bid through road play.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Well, if you're just giving up on the discussion, then so am I. But for discussion's sake...

Why are you comparing the December 2012 Vols to the December 2011 Vols and not the March 2012 Vols?
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Ok...

The march 2012 vols

2-2

Best win: unranked Vanderbilt
Bad Loss: home to Middle Tennessee State



December 2012 Vols

5-3

Best win: #23 Wichita State
Bad loss: none




So point still either way...
 
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ukvols said:
True, but setting the bar on the floor last year doesn't make us a good team now.
I agree with the criticism of Pastner, and it's frustrating that kids we recruit continue to want to play there.
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I didn't say it made us a great or good team, just simply that we've improved.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I didn't say it made us a great or good team, just simply that we've improved.
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I cannot argue with that.

I'm pulling for Coach Martin. But, I think the jury is still out regarding whether or not he will work out here.

I'll be in town for the Memphis game. GBO!
 
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