2013 F Austin Nichols (Memphis Briarcrest)

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bleedingTNorange said:
Not near the level of Memphis'


Of the guys averaging double digit minutes...

5* x 1
4* x 3
3* x 2
2* x 3
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I was wanting to compare it to the 2013-14 UT roster, not the 2012-13 UM roster.

EDIT: And it looks like the only difference is the addition of one 5 star (Hubbs). We know how much recruiting stars translate to performance though.
 
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Gcrop said:
I was wanting to compare it to the 2013-14 UT roster, not the 2012-13 UM roster.

EDIT: And it looks like the only difference is the addition of one 5 star (Hubbs). We know how much recruiting stars translate to performance though.
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Another 5*, another 3*, and not playing 2* most likely.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I don't "love" Pastner, and I'll be as vocal as anyone about his shortcomings.

But if you're going to "point out a weakness" like he hasn't beaten any top 25 teams (as if that has ANY meaning at all, as I've gone over before), then turn around and equivocate about him beating a top 25 team, you should be able to see how dumb that looks.
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You should be able to see how bad it looks for you to argue semantics over whether or not he has ONE top 25 win at a program like Memphis. I honestly thought U of M fans were more prideful of their program.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Again, you guys (The Vols) were crowing about lack of "top 25 wins". Seems when Pastner gets one, someone tries to move the target.

That's all I'm trying to say.
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The only ranking system that mattered once the tournament started was the seeds, and they were an 11. IDK why that's hard to understand. The Selection Committee decided St. Mary's was overrated in the coaches poll and placed them in a play-in game.

Would this be better...Pastner has 0 wins against the AP Top 25. Now, we don't have to debate whether or not the coaches poll means anything after Selection Sunday.
 
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And, I'm not crowing about Pastner's record, because it's done nothing to help us in recruiting against him.
 
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ukvols said:
The only ranking system that mattered once the tournament started was the seeds, and they were an 11. IDK why that's hard to understand. The Selection Committee decided St. Mary's was overrated in the coaches poll and placed them in a play-in game.

Would this be better...Pastner has 0 wins against the AP Top 25. Now, we don't have to debate whether or not the coaches poll means anything after Selection Sunday.
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OK, man. I gotcha. So, if I can get this straight, the current knock on Pastner is that "he hasn't beaten any teams ranked in the top 25 of the AP poll or Coaches poll during the season, or beaten the top 25 seeded teams during the tournament, even though he's beaten top 25 teams in the AP/Coaches poll during the tournament, and teams that went on to the Sweet 16 during the season, but those don't count."

Does that sum it up? Brilliant, but a little wordy.
 
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UTCVol said:
You should be able to see how bad it looks for you to argue semantics over whether or not he has ONE top 25 win at a program like Memphis. I honestly thought U of M fans were more prideful of their program.
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I'm trying to say that it's ridiculous to worry about top 25 wins AT ALL. The "Top 25" is hardly a measure of how good a team is.

In games away from their home arenas, Pastner and Martin have the same number of top 25 wins. Now you tell me, how telling is that stat?
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I'm trying to say that it's ridiculous to worry about top 25 wins AT ALL. The "Top 25" is hardly a measure of how good a team is.

In games away from their home arenas, Pastner and Martin have the same number of top 25 wins. Now you tell me, how telling is that stat?
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Being a head coach involves on-floor coaching and recruiting. Zo would likely be considered a better on-floor coach, Pastner is clearly the better recruiter. We also count wins and losses. Pastner has a much better overall record than Martin. Most folks will take wins as most important. At this point, Pastner is the better overall coach as he has a much better overall record than Martin. End of story.:thumbsup:
 
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wtorange said:
In the first 6 of the rotation we will have 2 5stars, 3 4stars, and 1 3 star. How does that look on paper? We have never had a first 6 with those credentials.
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The Elite 8 team (2009-10) had two 5 stars (J.P. and Scotty) 3 4-stars (Chism, Cam and Kenny Hall) and two 3 stars (Brian Williams and Bobby Maze) in the regular rotation. There were three other four stars - Tyler Smith, Negedu and Swiper on the roster at one time or another.

The 2010-11 team had two fives stars (Scotty and Tobias), four stars Hall, Maymon, Cam, Renaldo, Trae Golden and Jordan McRae). That's the team that wiped out Pitt and Villanova before the NCAA hammer came down.

The 2008-09 team had two five stars - Scotty & JP, 4-stars Tyler Smith, Cam Tatum, Wayne Chism, Emmanuel Negedu, Renaldo Woolridge and Philip Jurick.
 
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germanicus said:
The Elite 8 team (2009-10) had two 5 stars (J.P. and Scotty) 3 4-stars (Chism, Cam and Kenny Hall) and two 3 stars (Brian Williams and Bobby Maze) in the regular rotation. There were three other four stars - Tyler Smith, Negedu and Swiper on the roster at one time or another.

The 2010-11 team had two fives stars (Scotty and Tobias), four stars Hall, Maymon, Cam, Renaldo, Trae Golden and Jordan McRae). That's the team that wiped out Pitt and Villanova before the NCAA hammer came down.

The 2008-09 team had two five stars - Scotty & JP, 4-stars Tyler Smith, Cam Tatum, Wayne Chism, Emmanuel Negedu, Renaldo Woolridge and Philip Jurick.
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Please don't bring facts to this board
 
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MemphisCanes said:
OK, man. I gotcha. So, if I can get this straight, the current knock on Pastner is that "he hasn't beaten any teams ranked in the top 25 of the AP poll or Coaches poll during the season, or beaten the top 25 seeded teams during the tournament, even though he's beaten top 25 teams in the AP/Coaches poll during the tournament, and teams that went on to the Sweet 16 during the season, but those don't count."

Does that sum it up? Brilliant, but a little wordy.
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For the most part, yeah, you summed it up. I agree that the Top 25 isn't a perfect metric for gauging who are the best teams, but it's a metric that's very visible and publicized, and people can easily point to it.
But, he has 0 wins over an AP Top 25 team during the tournament.
He has 1 win over the #25 team in the Coaches Poll, and said opponent was placed in a play-in game by the Selection Committee.

Here's the target. We'll never "move" it again after today. Beat a ranked team during the regular season or a team seeded higher than 7 in the NCAAT. It really shouldn't be too hard to do, as teams often sneak into the Top 25 without being very good, especially early in the season. There should be more opportunities to hit the target next year, with the change in conferences. In fact, he'll probably hit it next year.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
OK, man. I gotcha. So, if I can get this straight, the current knock on Pastner is that "he hasn't beaten any teams ranked in the top 25 of the AP poll or Coaches poll during the season, or beaten the top 25 seeded teams during the tournament, even though he's beaten top 25 teams in the AP/Coaches poll during the tournament, and teams that went on to the Sweet 16 during the season, but those don't count."

Does that sum it up? Brilliant, but a little wordy.
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I love how you defend Pastner. If you think he will ever amount to anything as a head coach I feel sorry for you.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I'm trying to say that it's ridiculous to worry about top 25 wins AT ALL. The "Top 25" is hardly a measure of how good a team is.

In games away from their home arenas, Pastner and Martin have the same number of top 25 wins. Now you tell me, how telling is that stat?
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Do you have a better measure for determining good teams?

Even more telling: Pastner has no wins against top 25 opponents at home in four years. Martin had three this year alone.
 
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