2013 F Austin Nichols (Memphis Briarcrest)

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Spartacavolus said:
I consider a double/double guy in his soph year to be a game changer.
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I was staying quiet but was beginning to wonder if we had become so arrogant that we think a top 50 player wouldn't be a game changer at UT. Nichols would start immediately if he came here unless someone else in the top 50 also decides to come here.
 
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I probably interpreted game changer incorrectly, because by definition he will be a game changer. I think I was looking at it more like a highlight waiting to happen game changer which isn't fair.
 
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zansdad said:
I was staying quiet but was beginning to wonder if we had become so arrogant that we think a top 50 player wouldn't be a game changer at UT. Nichols would start immediately if he came here unless someone else in the top 50 also decides to come here.
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People just want to see individual players so they feel they can compete with ky. Nevermind that he is athletic, will get bigger, has a game feel and has ridiculous hands. Game changer means alley oops and jacking up 3's to the video game generation.
 
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zansdad said:
I was staying quiet but was beginning to wonder if we had become so arrogant that we think a top 50 player wouldn't be a game changer at UT. Nichols would start immediately if he came here unless someone else in the top 50 also decides to come here.
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Top 50 isn't a game changer. We've had several recent top 50 guys or close that didn't have immediate impacts to where they were relied upon and starting from day 1.. Crews, chism, Kenny hall, McRae, etc. Golden may be close I forgot what he was ranked...

Crews started but only due to lack of bodies and he was more college ready than Nichols at this point.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
People just want to see individual players so they feel they can compete with ky. Nevermind that he is athletic, will get bigger, has a game feel and has ridiculous hands. Game changer means alley oops and jacking up 3's to the video game generation.
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I for one would love to get someone, anyone, with a back to the basket game. Does Nichols have a back to the basket game or is he more of a face up guy like Maymon and Stokes?
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Top 50 isn't a game changer. We've had several recent top 50 guys or close that didn't have immediate impacts to where they were relied upon and starting from day 1.. Crews, chism, Kenny hall, McRae, etc. Golden may be close I forgot what he was ranked...

Crews started but only due to lack of bodies and he was more college ready than Nichols at this point.
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I thought Crews and Chism were top 50 but I didn't realize Hall, Golden and McRae were. I still say top 50 players at UT should be expected to start and be "game changers", at least until UT starts landing top 50 guys, that actually pan out, consistently.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Top 50 isn't a game changer. We've had several recent top 50 guys or close that didn't have immediate impacts to where they were relied upon and starting from day 1.. Crews, chism, Kenny hall, McRae, etc. Golden may be close I forgot what he was ranked...

Crews started but only due to lack of bodies and he was more college ready than Nichols at this point.
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Negedu, Ramar Smith, Hopson, McRae, Crews, Chism, T. Harris were top 50

Golden was in the 60's, Hall in the 70's, Woolridge was 53 on rivals.

Tyler Smith was 43 out of Prep School, JP was 21 out of HS, Tatum was 64 out of HS then 101 out of prep school the following year.
 
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I know Kenny hall was in the top 50 at one point maybe even top 25 before they dropped him - same with maybe Golden but never was any better than the 40s I think.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Negedu, Ramar Smith, Hopson, McRae, Crews, Chism, T. Harris were top 50

Golden was in the 60's, Hall in the 70's, Woolridge was 53 on rivals.

Tyler Smith was 43 out of Prep School, JP was 21 out of HS, Tatum was 64 out of HS then 101 out of prep school the following year.
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So basically it's pretty hit or miss - top 70 player is going to be just as high sought after as a number 45 overall player anyway.
 
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zansdad said:
I thought Crews and Chism were top 50 but I didn't realize Hall, Golden and McRae were. I still say top 50 players at UT should be expected to start and be "game changers", at least until UT starts landing top 50 guys, that actually pan out, consistently.
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Unless you have a kid who is top 20 and a 5 star you shouldn't expect any more from the #50 ranked player in the country than the #200 player - you can't expect this kid to be a game changer here.. You hope for at best a Wayne Chism type career but I doubt it because he had a fantastic career here as for as 4 year players go.

And when I think game changer I don't think of a guy who only scores 10 to 14 a game - guess it depends on who you ask... But that would mean someone like Cam Tatum is a game changer.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Unless you have a kid who is top 20 and a 5 star you shouldn't expect any more from the #50 ranked player in the country than the #200 player - you can't expect this kid to be a game changer here.. You hope for at best a Wayne Chism type career but I doubt it because he had a fantastic career here as for as 4 year players go.

And when I think game changer I don't think of a guy who only scores 10 to 14 a game - guess it depends on who you ask... But that would mean someone like Cam Tatum is a game changer.
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Would you call Maymon a game changer? He averaged 12.7ppg last year.
Also i woukd say there is a vast difference in expectations from #50 to number #200. I understand that at some point they all kind of lump together. I just don't see that point being from 50 to 200.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Unless you have a kid who is top 20 and a 5 star you shouldn't expect any more from the #50 ranked player in the country than the #200 player - you can't expect this kid to be a game changer here.. You hope for at best a Wayne Chism type career but I doubt it because he had a fantastic career here as for as 4 year players go.

And when I think game changer I don't think of a guy who only scores 10 to 14 a game - guess it depends on who you ask... But that would mean someone like Cam Tatum is a game changer.
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When did tatum ever average 14 a game?
 
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zansdad said:
Would you call Maymon a game changer? He averaged 12.7ppg last year.
Also i woukd say there is a vast difference in expectations from #50 to number #200. I understand that at some point they all kind of lump together. I just don't see that point being from 50 to 200.
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No not really - Tobias and Loften were game changers in my eyes.. Obviously Jarnell may likely become one. Hard for me to call a guy a game changer when lots of other great players across the country were putting up Maymon numbers. He could still step it up and become one though and showed he could potentially be on that level with his performance against Memphis - don't get me wrong though... maymon is even more impressive when you realize the guy is probably about 6'6 doing what he's doing in the paint.

I just don't think you always have game changers on your team at all times unless you're UK.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
No not really - Tobias and Loften were game changers in my eyes.. Obviously Jarnell may likely become one. Hard for me to call a guy a game changer when lots of other great players across the country were putting up Maymon numbers. He could still step it up and become one though and showed he could potentially be on that level with his performance against Memphis - don't get me wrong though... maymon is even more impressive when you realize the guy is probably about 6'6 doing what he's doing in the paint.

I just don't think you always have game changers on your team at all times unless you're UK.
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Fair enough.
 
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What if we consider a single Vol not being on the team, how much of a game changer would it be? Maymon, Golden, and Stokes are all game changers. Was Golden not a game changer when he switched to PG? Was the emergence of Maymon not game changing?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
What if we consider a single Vol not being on the team, how much of a game changer would it be? Maymon, Golden, and Stokes are all game changers. Was Golden not a game changer when he switched to PG? Was the emergence of Maymon not game changing?
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Lol if you call Golden a game changer then half of the players in the NCAA are game changers. The way I look at a game changer is if a team has to drastically plan their gameplan around you because of your offensive or defensive presence... Like we couldn't drive into the lane while Anthony Davis was under the basket so you want to move him outside or get him in foul trouble...

Jon Jenkins is a game changer - we planned our defense around him as did all the SEC - people did that to try to slow Lofton down... None of the currently players on the roster are to that level right now.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
What if we consider a single Vol not being on the team, how much of a game changer would it be? Maymon, Golden, and Stokes are all game changers. Was Golden not a game changer when he switched to PG? Was the emergence of Maymon not game changing?
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By that definition even Steven damn Pearl was a game changer.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Lol if you call Golden a game changer then half of the players in the NCAA are game changers. The way I look at a game changer is if a team has to drastically plan their gameplan around you because of your offensive or defensive presence... Like we couldn't drive into the lane while Anthony Davis was under the basket so you want to move him outside or get him in foul trouble...

Jon Jenkins is a game changer - we planned our defense around him as did all the SEC - people did that to try to slow Lofton down... None of the currently players on the roster are to that level right now.
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You mean you don't think Stokes is a game changer?
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Lol if you call Golden a game changer then half of the players in the NCAA are game changers. The way I look at a game changer is if a team has to drastically plan their gameplan around you because of your offensive or defensive presence... Like we couldn't drive into the lane while Anthony Davis was under the basket so you want to move him outside or get him in foul trouble...

Jon Jenkins is a game changer - we planned our defense around him as did all the SEC - people did that to try to slow Lofton down... None of the currently players on the roster are to that level right now.
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Are they not game changers for our team? Would we not look drastically different without them?
 
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