2013 F Austin Nichols (Memphis Briarcrest)

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MemphisCanes said:
This is true, but the B12 came knocking once it had stabilized with West Virginia and TCU. Louisville still said no.

And I also agree with the SEC, Pac12 and B1G being the stable conferences. There is just as much chance of the ACC going away as there is the B12 going away.

The ACC may be more stable than the Big East, but so is the B12.
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The Big12 was looking for markets at the time. TCU was a football decision, but not a new market. WV really doesn't bring a big market with them, but Louisville would have. Louisville declining seemed more of a "we're going to get a better offer from someone else" than anything IMO. In the money sport (football), Louisville made a business decision. The Big12 is definitely a better football conference for them, but I don't know how much revenue it would bring them. Getting into the Big10 or SEC would have been their ideal situation. The ACC has stable football programs and therefore will more than likely continue to exist. Texas was the main reason so many detracted from the Big12.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So the ACC is worried about the football programs of schools they're bringing in? That really explains adding football powerhouses Syracuse and Pitt to the ACC.

And if you don't realize UCONN brings more eyeballs than a team like Pitt, then YOU'RE the one who doesn't know anything about UCONN.

Hahahaha
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Now you're just grasping at straws. Syracuse has some good football history, plays in a huge stadium but most importantly has a huge alumni base in NYC.

I'm not sure I should even address the UConn/Pitt viewer footprint claim, because I'm sure it will occurr to you how dumb that sounded. Pitt has a better football program and brings eyeballs in the Pittsburgh (obviously) and Philly areas, plus probably has the same presence in NYC and DC as UConn. Uconn brings eyeballs in the state of Connecticut, who cares? No one lives in connecticut.
 
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jknox33 said:
Agreed. UCONN has a rich (Calhoun era) basketball history that includes multiple national championships. I'm not a UCONN fan in the least, but I'll admit that they have their on brand that would fit in well with a competitive ACC.
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There's no question that UConn has a marketable brand, or that they have had recent basketball prominence.

The question is, is that how low the bar is for acceptance into the ACC? Tons of other schools bring some basketball success with as good a brand and better market than UConn.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Now you're just grasping at straws. Syracuse has some good football history, plays in a huge stadium but most importantly has a huge alumni base in NYC.

I'm not sure I should even address the UConn/Pitt viewer footprint claim, because I'm sure it will occurr to you how dumb that sounded. Pitt has a better football program and brings eyeballs in the Pittsburgh (obviously) and Philly areas, plus probably has the same presence in NYC and DC as UConn. Uconn brings eyeballs in the state of Connecticut, who cares? No one lives in connecticut.
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Man you should stick to the things you know.

You credit Cuse' stadium, do you know anything about UCONN? They got a brand new field a few years back, was going to be the patriots stadium when Kraft was close to moving the team there. When the deal fell through they changed plans and made it UCONNs new stadium, Rentschler Field is gorgeous and top notch in big east. You mention how HUGE Cuse' stadium is, yet Rentschler is almost the exact same, except a much nicer place.

UCONN draws a big eye in the northeast, but no probably not as much as Pitt.However, between their basketball programs, it more than outweighs what they lose for viewers on the football side of things. I lived in the northeast for 12 years, I can tell you first hand how things are up there, and UCONN has a very big following. Much bigger than the BC comparison you tried to make.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Tons of other schools bring some basketball success with as good a brand and better market than UConn.
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Name some of these big east teams that meet what you just mentioned...

Match UCONNs basketball success
The UCONN brand
And a relevant football program


You've already ruled out Louisville so who else?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Name some of these big east teams that meet what you just mentioned...

Match UCONNs basketball success
The UCONN brand
And a relevant football program


You've already ruled out Louisville so who else?
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There are none that match UConn's basketball prestige, but we've already established that basketball prestige means diddly.

Temple, USF, UCF already bring better football and bigger TV footprints than UConn, sadly. I bet when Villanova goes D1 in football, it will autmatically hop UConn's TV numbers.

I like UConn, but unfortunately not a lot of folks outside of the state tune in for anything other than basketball games. This is straight from the mouths of Hartford residents.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Man you should stick to the things you know.

You credit Cuse' stadium, do you know anything about UCONN? They got a brand new field a few years back, was going to be the patriots stadium when Kraft was close to moving the team there. When the deal fell through they changed plans and made it UCONNs new stadium, Rentschler Field is gorgeous and top notch in big east. You mention how HUGE Cuse' stadium is, yet Rentschler is almost the exact same, except a much nicer place.

UCONN draws a big eye in the northeast, but no probably not as much as Pitt.However, between their basketball programs, it more than outweighs what they lose for viewers on the football side of things. I lived in the northeast for 12 years, I can tell you first hand how things are up there, and UCONN has a very big following. Much bigger than the BC comparison you tried to make.
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Sadly, basketball numbers don't really account for anything.

And I remember that you lived up around Storrs, which may be why you're a bit biased on this subject.

I looked into all of this when Pitt joined the ACC, because I could not comprehend why Pitt was attractive. Despite Pitt's incompetent football management, the school has alumnus in very key places and people actually tune in to watch them play.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
There are none that match UConn's basketball prestige, but we've already established that basketball prestige means diddly.

Temple, USF, UCF already bring better football and bigger TV footprints than UConn, sadly. I bet when Villanova goes D1 in football, it will autmatically hop UConn's TV numbers.

I like UConn, but unfortunately not a lot of folks outside of the state tune in for anything other than basketball games. This is straight from the mouths of Hartford residents.
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Ok and I agree with most that, but I just don't see the ACC being overly concerned with a football powerhouse. Cuse isn't, Pitt isn't, and what UCONN loses to Pitt in football it gains in basketball.

Are you saying that the ACC is looking for football only schools, and not worried about basketball schools?

It was my understanding that they were looking at more basketball strong schools than football strong schools.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So why keep a team like duke? They typically bring nothing in football? So the academics are the only reason the ACC wants them?

The basketball program for Duke does nothing for the ACC?
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Well first, we're talking about adding teams, not kicking teams out.

Second, Duke's academics are stellar. I also think that Duke is a founding ACC member, and, for whatever reason, founding members don't seem to get kicked out of conferences. That's the only reason I can see why the University of Mississippi isn't currently playing in the C-USA.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Ok and I agree with most that, but I just don't see the ACC being overly concerned with a football powerhouse. Cuse isn't, Pitt isn't, and what UCONN loses to Pitt in football it gains in basketball.

Are you saying that the ACC is looking for football only schools, and not worried about basketball schools?

It was my understanding that they were looking at more basketball strong schools than football strong schools.
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The ACC is to the point of diminishing returns when it comes to basketball, IMO. It's so far out ahead of the second tier conferences that adding another basketball school doesn't bring much to the table.

Louisville is the only remaining school in the Non power 5 that brings bball and football prowess, so after that I think conferences look at TV numbers and TV numbers alone. The ACC may try to add Louisville, and may try to add UConn. Louisville can't be interchanged with another school out there, but UConn can, with Temple, UCF, etc.
 
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New Big East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, DePaul, Georgetown, Houston, Marquette, Memphis, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, USF, SMU, Temple, Villanova

This has a Conference USA feel to it.
 
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OCIVol said:
New Big East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, DePaul, Georgetown, Houston, Marquette, Memphis, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, USF, SMU, Temple, Villanova

This has a Conference USA feel to it.
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You can take Rutgers out in the next day or two.
 
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OCIVol said:
New Big East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, DePaul, Georgetown, Houston, Marquette, Memphis, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, USF, SMU, Temple, Villanova

This has a Conference USA feel to it.
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Holy crap, I had no idea it was that bad. Looks like the old CUSA.
 
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OCIVol said:
New Big East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, DePaul, Georgetown, Houston, Marquette, Memphis, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, USF, SMU, Temple, Villanova

This has a Conference USA feel to it.
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I'm assuming your pulling out Lville b/c you think they will go for football and they probably will

but even w/o Lville that is a good bball conference - Cincy, Gtown, Marquette, Memphis, Villanova have been very good recently

DePaul, St. John's Temple have tradition and are in cities where the programs can be rebuilt quickly - that is not a bad bball league

if Lville stays it is a very good bball league
 
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SCvol333 said:
I'm assuming your pulling out Lville b/c you think they will go for football and they probably will

but even w/o Lville that is a good bball conference - Cincy, Gtown, Marquette, Memphis, Villanova have been very good recently

DePaul, St. John's Temple have tradition and are in cities where the programs can be rebuilt quickly - that is not a bad bball league

if Lville stays it is a very good bball league
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From ACC blogger Mark Ennis, it sounds likely that UConn may head to the ACC. The ACC fan in me is thoroughly pissed that football is getting more watered down. This may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, sending Clemson, Va Tech, FSU scurrying to other conferences.

The Big East fan in me says grab the closest A10 school, slap a football program on them and it's business as usual in the Big East.
 
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