2013 F Austin Nichols (Memphis Briarcrest)

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humdinger said:
Memphis has been a better program than Tennessee, and it's impossible to argue otherwise, but that has nothing to do with the Nichols situation or Memphis' recruiting class.

If you're going to beat Memphis on their home turf for a player, you need an edge. Pearl's success and style of play, over time, could have maybe been that edge. Martin's style of play isn't going to win over any kids and the success remains to be seen. He doesn't have an argument to tell a kid that Tennessee will be the best place for them, at least not yet.
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How can you say it's clear cut Memphis has the historically better program?

As of now, yes I agree...but in terms of their entire body of work if you compare the numbers it's nowhere as lopsided as you're trying to make it sound.

Tennessee vs. Memphis Tale of the Tape

All time wins:
Tennessee: 1508
Memphis: 1406

Head 2 Head:
Tennessee: 14
Memphis 10

Win pct.
Tennessee: 61%
Memphis: 63%

NCAA TOURNAMENT APPEARANCES:
Tennessee: 19
Memphis: 18

Final Four Appearances:
Tennessee: 0
Memphis: 1

Elite 8:
Tennessee: 1
Memphis: 4

Sweet 16:
Tennessee: 6
Memphis: 5


Numbers don't lie, you guys try to act like you're some power house basketball school but when you break it down you're on the same level we are...sorry.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How can you say it's clear cut Memphis has the historically better program?

As of now, yes I agree...but in terms of their entire body of work if you compare the numbers it's nowhere as lopsided as you're trying to make it sound.

Tennessee vs. Memphis Tale of the Tape

All time wins:
Tennessee: 1508
Memphis: 1406

Head 2 Head:
Tennessee: 14
Memphis 10

Win pct.
Tennessee: 61%
Memphis: 63%

NCAA TOURNAMENT APPEARANCES:
Tennessee: 19
Memphis: 18

Final Four Appearances:
Tennessee: 0
Memphis: 1

Elite 8:
Tennessee: 1
Memphis: 4

Sweet 16:
Tennessee: 6
Memphis: 5


Numbers don't lie, you guys try to act like you're some power house basketball school but when you break it down you're on the same level we are...sorry.
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If you want to say "numbers don't lie" then you have to count the numbers that actually happened in real life.

So that's 24 NCAA appearances to 19
That's 3 Final Four apperances to 0
That's 6 Elite Eight apperances to 1
That's 11 Sweet Sixteen apperances to 6
 
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humdinger said:
If you want to say "numbers don't lie" then you have to count the numbers that actually happened in real life.

So that's 24 NCAA appearances to 19
That's 3 Final Four apperances to 0
That's 6 Elite Eight apperances to 1
That's 11 Sweet Sixteen apperances to 6
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How are you gonna count things that didn't happen?

They were vacated, you may want to look up the definition of the word.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match about if you want to count vacated accolades or not....if you want to be logical and look at things from an unbiased standpoint you'd see the numbers are very similar.

The NCAA doesn't count those, THEY WERE VACATED, so going off of numbers it's as I stated above...


Originally Posted by humdinger:
Memphis has been a better program than Tennessee, and it's impossible to argue otherwise, but that has nothing to do with the Nichols situation or Memphis' recruiting class.

If you're going to beat Memphis on their home turf for a player, you need an edge. Pearl's success and style of play, over time, could have maybe been that edge. Martin's style of play isn't going to win over any kids and the success remains to be seen. He doesn't have an argument to tell a kid that Tennessee will be the best place for them, at least not yet.
How can you say it's clear cut Memphis has the historically better program?

As of now, yes I agree...but in terms of their entire body of work if you compare the numbers it's nowhere as lopsided as you're trying to make it sound.

Tennessee vs. Memphis Tale of the Tape

All time wins:
Tennessee: 1508
Memphis: 1406

Head 2 Head:
Tennessee: 14
Memphis 10

Win pct.
Tennessee: 61%
Memphis: 63%

NCAA TOURNAMENT APPEARANCES:
Tennessee: 19
Memphis: 18

Final Four Appearances:
Tennessee: 0
Memphis: 1

Elite 8:
Tennessee: 1
Memphis: 4

Sweet 16:
Tennessee: 6
Memphis: 5
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How are you gonna count things that didn't happen?

They were vacated, you may want to look up the definition of the word.

I'm not going to get into a pissing match about if you want to count vacated accolades or not....if you want to be logical and look at things from an unbiased standpoint you'd see the numbers are very similar.

The NCAA doesn't count those, so going off of numbers it's as I stated above...
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Go get an official NCAA record book, open it up to the page showing the bracket for the 2008 NCAA Tournament and tell me if Memphis is listed there in the Final Four or not.

I'll save you the trouble. They are.

You can't say "numbers don't lie" and then use an exact situation where numbers do lie. If you watched and witnessed history, then try to say it didn't happen, then the numbers are lying.
 
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humdinger said:
Go get an official NCAA record book, open it up to the page showing the bracket for the 2008 NCAA Tournament and tell me if Memphis is listed there in the Final Four or not.

I'll save you the trouble. They are.

You can't say "numbers don't lie" and then use an exact situation where numbers do lie. If you watched and witnessed history, then try to say it didn't happen, then the numbers are lying.
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Yea go get a recent record book, look it up...there's an asterisk. Now look at the bottom of the page, it'll tell you what that asterisk means.....VACATED, meaning it doesnt count.

The fact you're trying to argue to include vacated wins and accolades is comical. It really actually proves my point...if you were such a superior program you wouldn't need to include VACATED wins and accolades to prove you were the better program.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yea go get a recent record book, look it up...there's an asterisk. Now look at the bottom of the page, it'll tell you what that asterisk means.....VACATED, meaning it doesnt count.

The fact you're trying to argue to include vacated wins and accolades is comical. It really actually proves my point...if you were such a superior program you wouldn't need to include VACATED wins and accolades to prove you were the better program.
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It's funny when Memphis fans seem so proud of their cheating. Lots of teams could boost their NCAA tournament appearances and success if they ignored the rule books.
 
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Tiger_Brawl said:
One record that does stand.
Pastner-2
Martin-0
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Hahaha you take a one year sample? Classy. I'm sure there's a lot of clueless coaches who could boast a nice record verse coach k if you're only using a 1 year window.

How about overall:

Tennessee 14
Memphis 10


Such a shame Pasty ran and hid.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Hahaha you take a one year sample? Classy. I'm sure there's a lot of clueless coaches who could boast a nice record verse coach k if you're only using a 1 year window.

How about overall:

Tennessee 14
Memphis 10


Such a shame Pasty ran and hid.
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Well Cuonzo only has a one-year window versus Donovan, but that doesn't stop many from saying that Cuonzo owns Donovan. :p
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Hahaha you take a one year sample? Classy. I'm sure there's a lot of clueless coaches who could boast a nice record verse coach k if you're only using a 1 year window.

How about overall:

Tennessee 14
Memphis 10


Such a shame Pasty ran and hid.
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Ran and hid. Bawhahahaha!!!!!
What do we gain from playing a Missouri Valley coach, who gives us nothing but mid major talent to compete against. Knoxville has zero quality recruits and UT needs Memphis much more than we need you in this dumb series. I thought you guys were making a STATEMENT in Memphis this year. Oh well.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yea go get a recent record book, look it up...there's an asterisk. Now look at the bottom of the page, it'll tell you what that asterisk means.....VACATED, meaning it doesnt count.

The fact you're trying to argue to include vacated wins and accolades is comical. It really actually proves my point...if you were such a superior program you wouldn't need to include VACATED wins and accolades to prove you were the better program.
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Count the numbers however you want, the original point dealt with the perception of players that both schools are recruiting. And the perception of recruits, whether you agree or not, is that Memphis has had more success on a national level. Recruits don't care about vacated wins, they can decide on the program's history for themselves.
 
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Tiger_Brawl said:
Ran and hid. Bawhahahaha!!!!!
What do we gain from playing a Missouri Valley coach, who gives us nothing but mid major talent to compete against. Knoxville has zero quality recruits and UT needs Memphis much more than we need you in this dumb series. I thought you guys were making a STATEMENT in Memphis this year. Oh well.
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Actually Memphis needed Tennessee...that was the reasoning for the series, you obviously didn't know.

Wait to continue to look like an a$$.
 
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humdinger said:
Count the numbers however you want, the original point dealt with the perception of players that both schools are recruiting. And the perception of recruits, whether you agree or not, is that Memphis has had more success on a national level. Recruits don't care about vacated wins, they can decide on the program's history for themselves.
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You're a very similar basketball school as Tennessee, the numbers prove it and the fact you want to count vacated wins/accolades proves it even more.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but you're not a powerhouse basketball program.
 
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Hey BUTO I heard this guy was a UT lock too.
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#2,321
I have another score for you:

Martin 3
Pastner 0

as in the wins over ranked schools, except our coach hasn't had three years to accumulate those stats.

Pastner is a prepubescent tool who couldn't coach the New York Knicks to win the league he's joining next year. I don't know what he's telling these recruits that he's reeling in because he sure as hell can't coach.

Now run along to your mid major program's fanbase to look for the banners you had to take down and try to convince each other that you all are some kind of poor man's Duke that is respected througout the country, even though nobody outside Shelby County gives a crap about the Tigers.
 
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I doubt the recruits care that games were vacated. They still have Memphis in the Final Four and winning 38 games in a season burned into their memory.

The NCAA has shown itself to be a joke when it comes to rules enforcement. They just reinstated Muhammad and only suspended him for 3 games when the rules call for a 9 game(30% of the season) suspension for receiving $1600 in impermissible benefits. They cleared Rose for the season and told Memphis to play him but then punished the school after the fact. Did Kansas get in trouble for Darrell Arthur's altered HS transcript? Nope. What about UNC for their academic scandal? Nope. Lance Thomas at Duke and his $30,000 in jewelry? Nope. It's all BS. They pick and choose their battles. 0.0% consistency.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You're a very similar basketball school as Tennessee, the numbers prove it and the fact you want to count vacated wins/accolades proves it even more.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but you're not a powerhouse basketball program.
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If you think that, fine, but trying to minimize Memphis' history and accomplishments doesn't make Tennessee's any better. If you guys get to a Final Four, enjoy it because it's very hard and doesn't happen often. I would bet on Memphis getting there again before Tennessee's first trip, but we'll see. Either way, it doesn't matter much any more. The head-to-head series is done on January 4 for a while and I doubt there will be much recruiting crossover after this year.
 
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