2015 College World Series

[BruinVol]

The point was its apparently not just a private school thing as you initially alluded to. But then you acknowledged that to Bruin.

Vandy hired a hell of a coach, he's poached and/or developed the best talent in the state and now he's kicking our ass. Players line up to play for winners, so the more they win the more that kids, especially in state, will line up to play for him. Some will even go out of their way to play for him, like Swanson.

We sound like sour grapes because we've been floating in the septic tank for damn near a decade. This wasn't a problem for us or an advantage for Vandy until they started winning. Did the rules change or were their previous regimes to incompetent to take advantage of it or is Corbin just a hell of a recruiter?

Agreed with nearly all your post

Corbin is a hell of a coach. The need based aid has made vandys dominance possible. He would succeed at any program but not at the same rate.

Call it sour grapes if you want but I found it very intersting that TCUs coach was very willing to jump out yesterday and proclaim how big a problem this was and that it needed to be addressed. Change is coming and it will benefit Tenn greatly. I just doubt that change happens soon enough to help CDS.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Agreed with nearly all your post

Corbin is a hell of a coach. The need based aid has made vandys dominance possible. He would succeed at any program but not at the same rate.

Call it sour grapes if you want but I found it very intersting that TCUs coach was very willing to jump out yesterday and proclaim how big a problem this was and that it needed to be addressed. Change is coming and it will benefit Tenn greatly. I just doubt that change happens soon enough to help CDS.

TCU is a private school with a $1.5b endowment, located in TX and have lower academic standards. They could/should be doing the same thing as Vanderbilt.

Perhaps his response had to do with his frustration over the 27 cap rule or the fact that anyone on athletic aid now has to receive a 25% fraction at minimum, which limits how much money they can give out.

That article had to do with a lot more than need based aid. That was like a 3 paragraph snippet out of a long ass article.

 

[BruinVol]

TCU is a private school with a $1.5b endowment, located in TX and have lower academic standards. They could/should be doing the same thing as Vanderbilt.

Perhaps his response had to do with his frustration over the 27 cap rule or the fact that anyone on athletic aid now has to receive a 25% fraction at minimum, which limits how much money they can give out.

That article had to do with a lot more than need based aid. That was like a 3 paragraph snippet out of a long ass article.

This wasn't the first time he has spoken out about this. Pretty sure he is the one quoted as saying Vandy has 30full scholarships

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

This wasn't the first time he has spoken out about this. Pretty sure he is the one quoted as saying Vandy has 30full scholarships

That was an SEC assistant, that's unnamed. Doubt he competes very often with Vandy on the recruiting trail and even less so on the field. Vandy's success has minimal impact on his success.

 

[BruinVol]

That was an SEC assistant, that's unnamed. Doubt he competes very often with Vandy on the recruiting trail and even less so on the field. Vandy's success has minimal impact on his success.

I was speaking about a different article from a few years back

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I was speaking about a different article from a few years back

Then he should follow suit. He should have a built in advantage as well.

 

[BruinVol]

Then he should follow suit. He should have a built in advantage as well.

Would mean spending millions and millions per year. Very few schools are financially able or willing to do so.

 

[OldTimer]

Agreed with nearly all your post

Corbin is a hell of a coach. The need based aid has made vandys dominance possible. He would succeed at any program but not at the same rate.

Call it sour grapes if you want but I found it very intersting that TCUs coach was very willing to jump out yesterday and proclaim how big a problem this was and that it needed to be addressed. Change is coming and it will benefit Tenn greatly. I just doubt that change happens soon enough to help CDS.

Very well said. I don't think anyone trying to discuss this has sour grapes, and a debate can be made on both sides to who is more right and who is less right so everyone here has to agree to disagree on this subject.

Heck, I've publicly stated I'm rooting for Vandy to win, no sour grapes here.

The bottom line is Vandy and some other schools have an advantage to baseball recruiting at his time, no one can dispute this, what is disputable is how big is the advantage and quite frankly no one knows for sure...........

On the flip side, UT football has a distinct advantage in recruiting over Vandy (mainly due to academics) and no one can dispute this either.

So, under the current system outlined by the NCAA, some schools in athletics will have a distinct advantage in recruiting for specific sports and it will always be that way in some form or fashion.

 

[BruinVol]

I consider the current system to be very similar to when football and basketball programs were using track& and other lesser sports to get more scholarship players

Enough people complained(sour grapes) and the NCAA closed that loophole. That's going to happen here IMO

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Would mean spending millions and millions per year. Very few schools are financially able or willing to do so.

They have an endowment larger than us. I just find it suspicious that Vanderbilt has never cared about athletics to the extent that they're willing to exhaust all resources until the last 10 years. Now they're going to spend millions on a non-revenue sport that doesn't receive much more fan support than any other sport at the school and utilize every loophole they can to be successful. I've been to top 10 match ups at Vandy where I walked up and bought a ticket 5 min before the first pitch. That likely doesn't happen at places like LSU and State.

 

[BruinVol]

They have an endowment larger than us. I just find it suspicious that Vanderbilt has never cared about athletics to the extent that they're willing to exhaust all resources until the last 10 years. Now they're going to spend millions on a non-revenue sport that doesn't receive much more fan support than any other sport at the school and utilize every loophole they can to be successful. I've been to top 10 match ups at Vandy where I walked up and bought a ticket 5 min before the first pitch. That likely doesn't happen at places like LSU and State.

It's not a decision made with athletics in mind. Vandy Has triple the endowment of TCU and virginia even higher than Vandy.

 

[OldTimer]

They have an endowment larger than us. I just find it suspicious that Vanderbilt has never cared about athletics to the extent that they're willing to exhaust all resources until the last 10 years. Now they're going to spend millions on a non-revenue sport that doesn't receive much more fan support than any other sport at the school and utilize every loophole they can to be successful. I've been to top 10 match ups at Vandy where I walked up and bought a ticket 5 min before the first pitch. That likely doesn't happen at places like LSU and State.

you bring up a good point but someone within the Vandy admin wanted to excel at some sport and when you look at it, Baseball may have been best option to create a winning tradition............

 

[BruinVol]

you bring up a good point but someone within the Vandy admin wanted to excel at some sport and when you look at it, Baseball may have been best option to create a winning tradition............

I don't see it that way at all.

Vandy hired a guy that knew how and was capable of using every angle he could to succeed. Vandy already had this in place. They just upgraded facilities and hired a great coach that took the ball and ran with it.

Boston college and duke are similar schools ready to make that jump IMO. They also have the same $ set up. They just lack facilities

 

[armchair]

I watched a good part of last night's game. Good grief, it was slow and tedious. Was not terribly impressed by either team, frankly, though the UVA reliever, who threw, what, six innings did a very nice job. He hung a ton of sliders but Vandy couldn't hit them.

Vandy hitters would get in the box, ready to hit--and then the UVA catcher would spend 15 seconds looking at the pitching coach in the dugout getting the pitch sign from the pitching coach. He'd look back at the pitcher, then look back at the coach, then give a sign to the pitcher. And all this BEFORE EVERY PITCH. Do most teams do this all year? They didn't in my day--catchers called games. It slows down a game that is already too slow. You could hear Vandy coaches yelling to their batters to step out of the box instead of waiting 15 seconds for the UVA pitcher to get the pitch. This would slow things even more. Tedious game.

So I assume Tennessee has lottery-funded scholarships like Hope, etc.? If so, does Vandy get some of it? I don't think publicly-funded money should go to private universities or private schools of any kind.

 

[BruinVol]

I watched a good part of last night's game. Good grief, it was slow and tedious. Was not terribly impressed by either team, frankly, though the UVA reliever, who threw, what, six innings did a very nice job. He hung a ton of sliders but Vandy couldn't hit them.

Vandy hitters would get in the box, ready to hit--and then the UVA catcher would spend 15 seconds looking at the pitching coach in the dugout getting the pitch sign from the pitching coach. He'd look back at the pitcher, then look back at the coach, then give a sign to the pitcher. And all this BEFORE EVERY PITCH. Do most teams do this all year? They didn't in my day--catchers called games. It slows down a game that is already too slow. You could hear Vandy coaches yelling to their batters to step out of the box instead of waiting 15 seconds for the UVA pitcher to get the pitch. This would slow things even more. Tedious game.

So I assume Tennessee has lottery-funded scholarships like Hope, etc.? If so, does Vandy get some of it? I don't think publicly-funded money should go to private universities or private schools of any kind.

I thought much of the slow down problem was due to teams worried about signs being stolen especially when a runner was on 2nd


Yes Vandy and all tenn schools get 3500$ from the lottery for qualifying students thru hope

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I don't see it that way at all.

Vandy hired a guy that knew how and was capable of using every angle he could to succeed. Vandy already had this in place. They just upgraded facilities and hired a great coach that took the ball and ran with it.

Boston college and duke are similar schools ready to make that jump IMO. They also have the same $ set up. They just lack facilities

Can't believe every hire before Corbin was so incompetent as well as the administration, to not take advantage of things. I find it plausible that Corbin pushed for these "changes" in the way things had been done previously. Much like Franklin was instrumental in getting admission standards lowered for football players.

 

[BruinVol]

Can't believe every hire before Corbin was so incompetent as well as the administration, to not take advantage of things. I find it plausible that Corbin pushed for these "changes" in the way things had been done previously. Much like Franklin was instrumental in getting admission standards lowered for football players.

Perhaps the school has made changes over the years to how much $ is awarded but it's astonishing to me how much is given to all students at this point.

See how much is given here

Revealing the Numbers | Undergraduate Students | Office of Financial Aid | Vanderbilt University

 

[OldTimer]

Perhaps the school has made changes over the years to how much $ is awarded but it's astonishing to me how much is given to all students at this point.

See how much is given here

Revealing the Numbers*|*Undergraduate Students*|*Office of Financial Aid*|*Vanderbilt University

its a simple as give and you shall receive. VU gives aid, need or merit, to highly intelligent folks and when they graduate VU knows that the will receive more in return at some point in the future...........

 

[BruinVol]

its a simple as give and you shall receive. VU gives aid, need or merit, to highly intelligent folks and when they graduate VU knows that the will receive more in return at some point in the future...........

Yep. That's why their endowment continues to grow I guess

 

[OldTimer]

pretty good game going on, kind of surprised at a 2-2 score.........

 

[armchair]

Did this game start at 8:00. That's what ESPN says. It is now 10:00 and they just completed the 4th inning! Absurd. The umpires have to start moving these games along. UVA, with the catcher getting every pitch from the pitching coach, is slowing these games to a standstill.

 

[Hulk]

That is kind of ridiculous. They need to go back to the catcher calling the game and not staring at an armband like softball but softball is still way faster than this.

 

[BruinVol]

Did this game start at 8:00. That's what ESPN says. It is now 10:00 and they just completed the 4th inning! Absurd. The umpires have to start moving these games along. UVA, with the catcher getting every pitch from the pitching coach, is slowing these games to a standstill.

Pay close attention to the Vandy hitters. They have a very methodical routine getting into the box. It appears to me that the Virginia are then trying to screw up their routine by taking more time.

Also Vandy is very very methodical between pitches with runners on as well

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Hold on to this lead Hoos.

 

[txbo]

Go Cavs!