2020 Presidential Race

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#72,926
TennesseeTopHat said:
Lol pathetic. People complaining about voter fraud with no evidence at all. Let’s talk about how Biden won the popular vote by 4 million but due to electoral college - designed to give slave holding states equal power in the 1800s - we still have to wonder who won. Wonder why republicans don’t ever talk about that? A system they’ve gerrymandered to ensure the minority still has a hold on power.
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It was not designed to give slaveholding states equal power. There were more slave states (and big ones, NY and VA) than free states when the electoral college was founded, so you might say the opposite.

It's to keep big states from dominating the little guys in politics. That's all. It's good intent. California, Texas, Florida, and NY still have the most power. Do they really need more?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
My gut tells me there was voter fraud just from watching several statistically improbable things happen consecutively all favoring Biden. Granted, that isn't proof in and of itself. If there was fraud, was it the determining factor? Maybe not. But any voter fraud in a close election will undermine confidence in the results. Either way, I think this one is over and we need to move on. For future elections, we need to make sure that these things don't happen. Who in their right mind could possibly be against having open and transparent vote counting? Hell, it ought to be recorded close up and live streamed on YouTube for every district. The only reason you could be against that is if you wanted to cheat while counting. And while we're at it, there has to be a better way of running the mail in voting process. It isn't nearly as secure as in person voting and needs to either be scrapped altogether or completely overhauled. If you are against that, it is can only be because you would like for your party to be able to cheat with it in the future.
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So, your attitude is, "I believe there was voter fraud and we should just accept it without investigating"? For the good of the country? That would be color guard S American BS. That what the CIA does to other countries. It shouldn't be what we, as the people they're supposed to serve, accept and tacitly approve of.

It's hard to fathom that anyone would effectively say, "I suspect they cheated to ignore our will, and we should let them tell us who rule us."
 
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Weezer said:
Again, the party system is a people choice. How do you get rid of a system created by the people? The Constitution didn't create political parties, people did. There is no magic wand to get rid of political parties. People have to make a conscious choice to move away from that, and I doubt a majority of people are willing to do that. Most people are happy being sheep.
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True.
We created this machine going back a long way, now (for lack of a better term) "its too big to fail", and its considered just the way its done.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That system exists because of Republican decision making. Besides, if they let Trumpsters sit 3 inches away and stomp their feet at every Biden ballot, it wouldn't matter. Plus, if they did, the Trumpsters would find something else to cry foul about.

Its over. Biden is going to be President in January.
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Would you care to explain why the majority of the left didn't take that attitude when Trump won in 2016? Instead they put us through a vast waste of time and money, based in part on a dossier financed by Hillary supporters.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's why in the future I want electronic voting.
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I’d be all for it, but I don’t know how you authenticate all those votes unless you make people register IP addresses or tie PINs to SS# which are randomly generated and texted at the time of vote or something. Seems like an incredible undertaking.
 
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TennesseeTopHat said:
Lol pathetic. People complaining about voter fraud with no evidence at all. Let’s talk about how Biden won the popular vote by 4 million but due to electoral college - designed to give slave holding states equal power in the 1800s - we still have to wonder who won. Wonder why republicans don’t ever talk about that? A system they’ve gerrymandered to ensure the minority still has a hold on power.
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So a better option is to allow a few population centers to control the entire country?
 
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GAVol said:
I’d be all for it, but I don’t know how you authenticate all those votes unless you make people register IP addresses or tie PINs to SS# which are randomly generated and texted at the time of vote or something. Seems like an incredible undertaking.
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Especially for a country that struggles to count pieces of paper
 
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n_huffhines said:
It was not designed to give slaveholding states equal power. There were more slave states than free states when the electoral college was founded, so you might say the opposite.

It's to keep big states from dominating the little guys in politics. That's all. It's good intent. California, Texas, Florida, and NY still have the most power. Do they really need more?
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Right just like the civil war was about state’s rights and not slavery (hint it was about the state’s rights to own slaves).

It’s not good design since it means the ministry can rule. If one party isn’t getting enough popular vote to win they need to change their policies to appeal to more people. In the current system republicans can lean into their racist and xenophobic policies while still capturing enough of their base, white uneducated males
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Biden is not inspiring on any level. He is really very bland and not a progressive at all. There is no way he will be reelected in 2024... I don't think he will even run... and that's just fine with me and most Democrats as well.
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I do not think he'll be President in 2024.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Besides getting the votes counted within 24 hrs, I don't think there is anything we could have done in this election that would have prevented Trump from making wild claims about fraud and his acolytes buying into it. Trump still would make the claims under those circumstances, but fewer red hats would be making noise at least.

You can improve the controls and transparency and people are still going to believe what they want to believe because there will still be blinds spots in the system.
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The Trump stuff is dumb, but not that dissimilar to the Russia crap that the left bought into hook line and sinker to delegitimize 2016. Politics is just always politics.
 
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vol4eva said:
Trump is his own worst enemy. He can’t get out of his own way. It’s largely why he lost.
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No doubt. I've advocated against his incessant twittering from the beginning. But it doesn't excuse the Dem madness throughout his Presidency, and it doesn't make Biden a good choice. As I've stated previously, in an election of two bad choices, only a bad choice can win.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
I agree with a lot of what he’s saying here. My family were all Democrats and I was raised Democrat but everyone of us flipped years ago for these exact reasons he lays out.



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Hes 100% right, the democrats should win my vote every election but they have left their base and followed the AOCs of the world
 
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utvolpj said:
So a better option is to allow a few population centers to control the entire country?
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Popular vote would be the will of the majority of people in America. Which seems like a good way to pick a leader.

One person = one vote.

This is just my preference bc it makes the most sense to me.

EC isn’t going anywhere tho.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes, and it's a tribal divide. More people are voting straight down party tickets than ever before.
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And that's a bigger problem than people realize. It illustrates how more and more people have stopped thinking for themselves and are allowing politics to think for them.
 
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Weezer said:
Again, the party system is a people choice. How do you get rid of a system created by the people? The Constitution didn't create political parties, people did. There is no magic wand to get rid of political parties. People have to make a conscious choice to move away from that, and I doubt a majority of people are willing to do that. Most people are happy being sheep.
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I think partially it being force fed to people as well. The people at the top of these political machines make a lot of money. There are very few people at the top. Millions of people gives thousands a dollars every year to these machines. As a society, we are no further along than we were years ago. There are people that have been creating and passing laws more than 20 years. How can a 60,70,80 year old individual effectively legislate for a changing demographic, economy, society, world. So yes, we all have to change, but we can't change until we are able to have civil discourse. I am just as guilty about that as the next person.
 
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TennesseeTopHat said:
Yeah a few population centers that account for the majority of the us population l. I don’t know how this is hard to understand.
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You're just describing why our system is set up this way and don't even realize it. The FF understood

Go to a popular vote and the US breaks up in 2 election cycles
 
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Weezer said:
Would you care to explain why the majority of the left didn't take that attitude when Trump won in 2016? Instead they put us through a vast waste of time and money, based in part on a dossier financed by Hillary supporters.
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Its really a simple concept. Its obvious a foreign country can influence 1 election if my side didn't win, but not possible a within our own orders if my side does win.
 
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