2020 Presidential Race

[AM64]

Recount those also. This year with the historical change in voting methods should Be a reason to allow for recounts in any race at any level. Any Democrat or Republican running for office should have recount requests granted. Throw out the percentage criteria for this election year only.

Yep, recounts should be required when there appears to be a flaw in the process, and it shouldn't be based on who won or lost. I've never been a fan of pencil whipping a problem that should be tested and analyzed correctly.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Recounting the same ballots in a state race that isn’t that close, what is the logical purpose of that?

If there was systematic fraud , how extensive was it. ? Mail in ballots went from an est 30-40m total to 70m est for this election. Let’s find out for sure if there was systematic fraud and if the election results are legit.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[AM64]

Recounting the same ballots in a state race that isn’t that close, what is the logical purpose of that?

There were many 737Max flights that didn't crash, but a couple did, and a few pilots had questions about a few more. Should you just say the planes that crashed should be a redo ... except they can't, and keep flying the rest? You could make the argument that being dead would make no difference to the passengers on a couple of them, but other passengers would probably disagree with that "logical" decision.

 

[OHvol40]

If there was systematic fraud , how extensive was it. ? Mail in ballots went from an est 30-40m total to 70m est for this election. Let’s find out for sure if there was systematic fraud and if the election results are legit.

Is there evidence of systemic fraud? If not it’s just spiteful pouting.

 

[AM64]

Is there evidence of systemic fraud? If not it’s just spiteful pouting.

That's the point. You don't know if you don't investigate. How do you investigate a simple counting process? Do it again maybe?

 

[OHvol40]

That's the point. You don't know if you don't investigate. How do you investigate a simple counting process? Do it again maybe?

Investigate then. Every state has a recount threshold that is well established. If the numbers are within that threshold then request a recount. It’s that simple.

 

[AM64]

Investigate then. Every state has a recount threshold that is well established. If the numbers are within that threshold then request a recount. It’s that simple.

I said that a little too simply, and wound up implying just doing the same thing over again. It needs to involve clarification of all the alleged errors - using real auditors with real questions rather than the regular amateurs. If everything worked as advertised the counting would have been done faster.

 

[OHvol40]

I said that a little too simply, and wound up implying just doing the same thing over again. It needs to involve clarification of all the alleged errors - using real auditors with real questions rather than the regular amateurs. If everything worked as advertised the counting would have been done faster.

The voting and counts happened how the laws of the states dictate they happen, just like every election before this one. The transparency was executed in the same way as well. If there is evidence to the contrary, give it. If not, no amount of sour grapes changes anything.

 

[McDad]

Didn't work that way where I voted, and it shouldn't work that way where you are. A lot of us have stated that registration and voter identification need to be cleaned up. Dems just come back with the stock answer that there is no fraud. It's been this way for years. Working from your experience, do you think that the lack of effort by election officials is appropriate? Would you put up with that kind of work ethic by your bank?

Can you imagine the undercover investigative report on 60 Minutes or some other show and the narrative continued by all news media for months if the same laxity in 08's voting anecdote existed to purchase a firearm?

 

[McDad]

Absolutely. The last couple of pages don't include any evidence of voting fraud. I see some personal anecdotal incidents which even taken at face value (and that is giving a big benefit of the doubt here), are not evidence of any systemic fraud.

Is fraud (if it exists) only concerning if it is systemic?
If one loan officer at one branch of your banking system commits fraud occassionally but it isn't pervasive in the whole company, would it be overlooked?

 

[headhunter15]

 

[BowlBrother85]

Is fraud (if it exists) only concerning if it is systemic?
If one loan officer at one branch of your banking system commits fraud occassionally but it isn't pervasive in the whole company, would it be overlooked?

You don't invalidate an end result of a 10,000 or more spread in the vote count with personal anecdotal evidence of impropriety, which is impossible to either confirm or deny in most cases. The reality is that the only way you will overturn the kind of totals seen in Arizona and Georgia is through evidence of systemic voter fraud which invalidates large batches of votes.

This a pathetic ploy by Republicans to do exactly what they said Democrats have been doing since 2016: overturn the result of a duly elected president.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Also, this is nothing at all like the 2000 election, where you had the result of one state in question on election night, with the winning margin being less than 1,800 total votes. The Trump legal team will have to invalidate results across at least 3 states where Biden is showing a lead of more than 10,000 votes with 99% of the vote counted. You are living in a fantasy land if you think Trump has a chance in hell at this. He lost. Deal with it.

 

[McDad]

You don't invalidate an end result of a 10,000 or more spread in the vote count with personal anecdotal evidence of impropriety, which is impossible to either confirm or deny in most cases. The reality is that the only way you will overturn the kind of totals seen in Arizona and Georgia is through evidence of systemic voter fraud which invalidates large batches of votes.

This a pathetic ploy by Republicans to do exactly what they said Democrats have been doing since 2016: overturn the result of a duly elected president.

Wait a second. I'm not suggesting anything about invalidating the election. As far as I can tell Biden won. I'm on record predicting he would.

I'm asking does fraud matter or does only systemic fraud matter?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Wait a second. I'm not suggesting anything about invalidating the election. As far as I can tell Biden won. I'm on record predicting he would.

I'm asking does fraud matter or does only systemic fraud matter?

Only evidence of systemic fraud is going to change the results. These ridiculous personal anecdotes of impropriety don't prove anything and it's impossible to verify them all on a case by case basis.

 

[McDad]

Only evidence of systemic fraud is going to change the results. These ridiculous personal anecdotes of impropriety don't prove anything and it's impossible to verify them all on a case by case basis.

Again, you're speaking of changing results. I'm asking about fraud.
Does your banking organization allow fraud as long as it isn't systemic?

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Can you prove that there was fraud by such a large amount? Anywhere? That is going to take a lot more than just anecdotal evidence. That would be at least 30,000 votes in most states. That just doesn't happen.

We don't have to prove it. We aren't running for office. Why do you want someone going to court to show their evidence?

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

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Funny, those races are missing millions of votes on the Biden down ballots.

 

[37L1]

Funny, those races are missing millions of votes on the Biden down ballots.

They only had time to fill in the top box.

 

[Weezer]

Only evidence of systemic fraud is going to change the results. These ridiculous personal anecdotes of impropriety don't prove anything and it's impossible to verify them all on a case by case basis.

I'm curious, do you believe their was fraud? If not, why are you opposed to a recount? If fraud wasn't a problem then all a recount is going to do is reaffirm Biden's victory. Opposing the recount makes it seem like you're worried there's something to find.

And that's neither a view that favors Trump or Biden, it's just logic. If there's nothing to find, nothing will be found. I'm not sure why either side would oppose it? In the end, I think it would just prove Biden won and take away any merit to people's objections of rampant fraud. Is that not a good thing?

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

The voting and counts happened how the laws of the states dictate they happen, just like every election before this one. The transparency was executed in the same way as well. If there is evidence to the contrary, give it. If not, no amount of sour grapes changes anything.

We, on volnation, don't have to produce evidence. We're not going to court. These ballots this year were watermarked for the first time in history, that I can find, using blockchain technology by DHS. An amateur counter/volunteer wouldn't have known that. If a country did print millions of ballots for fraudulent purposes, they wouldn't have known that either.

 

[SlingBlayde]

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I'm curious, do you believe their was fraud? If not, why are you opposed to a recount? If fraud wasn't a problem then all a recount is going to do is reaffirm Biden's victory. Opposing the recount makes it seem like you're worried there's something to find.

And that's neither a view that favors Trump or Biden, it's just logic. If there's nothing to find, nothing will be found. I'm not sure why either side would oppose it? In the end, I think it would just prove Biden won and take away any merit to people's objections of rampant fraud. Is that not a good thing?

Lol. Told my family this. If there was no fraud what are democrats pitching such a fit over a recount?

 

[OHvol40]

Funny, those races are missing millions of votes on the Biden down ballots.

Or maybe Trump was so sh*tty that millions of Americans showed up just to vote him out.