2020 Presidential Race

[volfanhill]

So there is no way it could be due to SOS's calling Trump voters neo nazi's or AG's guaranteeing Biden wins before the election day? Gotcha yeah more educated evidently you don't see the things I see on Twitter from both sides...Patton Oswalt accused the WH of having 3 Melania body doubles and the blue checks and Dems bought into it

SOS and AG actions weren’t what we were discussing.

 

[volfanhill]

But but you guys said Trump was 0-146 in lawsuits

That’s the one I thought he would win and said as much.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Those percentages don't appear to have the sort of accuracy you would need to produce exact integers, so I don't think you can draw conclusions about them without the raw vote totals. It looks like the percentages here are just a rounded version just for website display. I assume those calculations are from their database backend or from the PA data if they are pulling it in direct.

PA reports in various formats available to be generated here:

Pennsylvania Elections - Report Center

Never hurts to look. Democracy needs eyes.

I'll have a look as I get a chance.

The % accuracy is exact enough that it would not account for the loss of 10s of 1000s of votes lost, as examples show.

 

[NCFisher]

Well, there it is.


Like I said, I didn't expect my analysis to match theirs, as it's independent and incomplete. But I can say that I've verified (so far) a loss of over 400,000 votes for Trump in the data available to me.

Here’s another data analysis on MI. They’re saying massive numbers of votes cast for Trump were allocated to Biden, that the more Repub the precinct, the fewer % of votes were assigned to Trump.

While leaving 1% possibility for a rational explanation - perhaps divine intervention - they’re stating a 99% likelihood that it is algorithm driven by the feature in voting systems called ‘weighted race’. Terms it election fraud, as opposed to voter fraud.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

But but you guys said Trump was 0-146 in lawsuits

Why would anyone want to count this ballots except in the case of fraud? It makes no sense

 

[VolnJC]

That’s the one I thought he would win and said as much.

Here's where I am...Biden more than likely won...these paper mail ballots and same day registration invite opportunities for fraud and we need to study the results and find a better solution

 

[volfanhill]

Here's where I am...Biden more than likely won...these paper mail ballots and same day registration invite opportunities for fraud and we need to study the results and find a better solution

I don’t have an issue with that thought process

 

[happy-go_vol]

Polling people are saying that hundreds of thousands of ballots wouls only have harris checked but no other senate or congress candidate check. What voter does that.

I think there is massive fraud, they used the covid scare to get fraudulent mail in ballots to be used.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Here’s another data analysis on MI. They’re saying massive numbers of votes cast for Trump were allocated to Biden, that the more Repub the precinct, the fewer % of votes were assigned to Trump.

While leaving 1% possibility for a rational explanation - perhaps divine intervention - they’re stating a 99% likelihood that it is algorithm driven by the feature in voting systems called ‘weighted race’. Terms it election fraud, as opposed to voter fraud.

Yah. I'll let them prove their case or not. I'm trying to be very careful about what I claim. All I have seen is that code seems to have highlighted legitimate examples of lost votes. We'll see if that's a part of the system that's to be expected, or if it's a systemic issue that altered the elections.

 

[happy-go_vol]

Trump's lied FAR MORE OFTEN on twitter than he's ever told the truth. It's almost pathetic how some are grasping with him

Communist always spreading BS. Think, stop being a communist sheep

 

[Orange_Crush]

Why would anyone want to count this ballots except in the case of fraud? It makes no sense

They may be claiming that there were inadvertent settings in the voting system that changed the results, even if it wasn't fraud. Fraud has to prove intent. It may be a concession on the Trump campaign's part to get the election changed without forcing Washington to admit that they allowed or perpetrated massive voter fraud. Or, it could just be an innocent mistake across multiple systems and multiple states.

 

[NCFisher]

Welp, that confirms it - 71 million racists in the USA.

On Election Night, American Racism Was Quantified

Marxists in blackface are gonna Marx.

 

[MarcoVol]

 

[AM64]

Although it’s not impossible, it definitely doesn’t seem probable.

Well the population has grown since 2008 - some of it even legal, so more people equals more potential voters. My bet would be without the mail it in voting - not the regular absentee ballots - the new farce, we'd see more normal levels. Imagine running homeless shelters or nursing homes full of people who wouldn't generally vote and ordering up ballots and voting for them. I still don't believe in being able to register without showing up with proper credentials like you do for a driver's license or to buy a gun (for those who claim a driver's licence isn't a right).

 

[Orange_Crush]

What state(s) data were you looking at? If there is real question as to the results couldn't Trump's campaign request a recount?

To return to this... (sorry, I'm pulled in lots of different directions) my understanding is that this could indeed be used to request recounts in the states claimed to be affected, if the courts find the evidence compelling enough.

 

[jp1]

They may be claiming that there were inadvertent settings in the voting system that changed the results, even if it wasn't fraud. Fraud has to prove intent. It may be a concession on the Trump campaign's part to get the election changed without forcing Washington to admit that they allowed or perpetrated massive voter fraud. Or, it could just be an innocent mistake across multiple systems and multiple states.

If it turns out to be true, you will have those that believe what they want to believe anyway. The damage is crushing either way if true.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If it turns out to be true, you will have those that believe what they want to believe anyway. The damage is crushing either way if true.

If it proves to be untrue, there will be those that believe what they want to believe. It's not singular to the left.

 

[volinbham]

I don't doubt the story but these "sources familiar with..." is getting crazy

"Top U.S. cybersecurity official Christopher Krebs has told associates he expects to be fired by the White House, three sources familiar with the matter told Reuters."

So Reuters can't even say the "sources familiar with the matter" are the people that Krebs talked to? I'm assuming not or they would be identified as people told by Krebs.

 

[jp1]

If it proves to be untrue, there will be those that believe what they want to believe. It's not singular to the left.

Absolutely. This certainly goes both ways. Thats why I'm almost inclined to just say let's move on.

 

[AM64]

This upcoming Congress should be fun...AOC and The Squad added a couple to their group...there were 26 Blue Dogs left...I'm projecting 222-213 Dem majority...how in the world is Nancy going to get anything passed? AOC's new 'Squad' members want to defund police, much more

Is there a decent site with info about the remain house seats? USA Today says there are 15 up in the air, but they don't say were, and to go state by state through their stuff is nuts. One thing for sure Pelosi is going to have her hands full because the house is closer to 50/50 than it was and she's got her flock of addled activists to deal with. Couldn't happen to a better witch - assuming she doesn't get dumped.

 

[BowlBrother85]

But but you guys said Trump was 0-146 in lawsuits

I believe the top election official in Pennsylvania has said that approximately 10,000 ballots were received after November 3rd. Biden is currently leading Pennsylvania by 54,000 votes... and it has been increasing with each day. That is some good news for Trump, but not anywhere near enough to make a difference.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

These are the hypocrites leading our country. And y'all just elected them president and VP. You get what you vote for.

 

[AM64]

Found the real story of this election cycle

Evidence suggests several state Senate candidates were plants funded by dark money

Can't be. There's no election fraud. Just allegations - remember - nothing credible. We go through this kind of crap every election, and it all gets blown off because a little over 50% are happy - their guys won. The guys who won have no incentive to clean it up, and the outsiders are ... outsiders - they lost. You'd think in a reasonably intelligent country, we'd have the will to at least expect and demand a level of fairness and discipline in elections that we expect in collegiate sports.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Firing a guy for debunking misinformation related to what he does for a living? That is petty.

... and is there anything to prevent the Biden administration from hiring the guy right back in 10 weeks?

 

[BenGrimm]

I agree. Trump should have gone completely different on mail in voting. I’d still like to see those states not counting till all votes are in and only count in front of both parties representatives. It would eliminate a lot of the suspicion. Better transparency solves a lot of this

Republicans had people in every counting room. There was live streaming anyone could watch. Their complaints have been flimsy instances of “being too far away” or “getting funny looks”. These sworn affidavits they keep posting on Twitter are getting tossed out and even retracted almost as quickly as they are filing them. Even the Twitter conspiracies are moving on from dead people voting to voting machine glitches. It’s kind of pathetic.

I’m all for looking into legitimate claims of fraud. When it is identified it needs to be corrected. So far in this election, much like every election the GOP screams about fraud, the Trump campaign has failed spectacularly on procurement of said legitimate claims.