2020 Presidential Race

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#79,976
trumpers will still be in here 1/22/2021 complaining about a stolen election. The country will move forward. We can leave you all in whatever year you claim was great...1940, 1948, 1952, 1861, or 1800....
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
These are the hypocrites leading our country. And y'all just elected them president and VP. You get what you vote for.

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Yes, there are hypocrites all around us. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) was very critical of Hillary Clinton in September for advising Joe Biden to not concede defeat on election night, regardless of what the election returns were. Today, Rep. McCarthy is encouraging Donald Trump to exhaust all possible legal options before conceding defeat. That is no different than what Hillary Clinton was advising Biden to do.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Republicans had people in every counting room. There was live streaming anyone could watch. Their complaints have been flimsy instances of “being too far away” or “getting funny looks”. These sworn affidavits they keep posting on Twitter are getting tossed out and even retracted almost as quickly as they are filing them. Even the Twitter conspiracies are moving on from dead people voting to voting machine glitches. It’s kind of pathetic.

I’m all for looking into legitimate claims of fraud. When it is identified it needs to be corrected. So far in this election, much like every election the GOP screams about fraud, the Trump campaign has failed spectacularly on procurement of said legitimate claims.
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I’m all for the investigation and the truth coming out. Unfortunately there are videos of one side being locked out. That should never happen. Again it’s all about optics. It would not be difficult to solve these problems with a standard for the federal election.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes, there are hypocrites all around us. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) was very critical of Hillary Clinton in September for advising Joe Biden to not concede defeat on election night, regardless of what the election returns were. Today, Rep. McCarthy is encouraging Donald Trump to exhaust all possible legal options before conceding defeat. That is no different than what Hillary Clinton was advising Biden to do.
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Are you arguing the HRC was wrong or was she right?
I thin she was right
 
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jp1 said:
Absolutely. This certainly goes both ways. Thats why I'm almost inclined to just say let's move on.
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If there is fraud--even if there is systemic issues that changed the results--I don't want to move on. Our elections are that important. If it turns out we elected Biden, let's support him. If it turns out we elected Trump, let's support him. We just need the leaders we elect, not the ones that are chosen on our behalf.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
trumpers will still be in here 1/22/2021 complaining about a stolen election. The country will move forward. We can leave you all in whatever year you claim was great...1940, 1948, 1952, 1861, or 1800....
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The year 2021 will be great for me watching the left backtrack , spin , excuse , dodge , duck , dip, dive ,and dodge their chosen one .
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m all for the investigation and the truth coming out. Unfortunately there are videos of one side being locked out. That should never happen. Again it’s all about optics. It would not be difficult to solve these problems with a standard for the federal election.
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I saw a video from the head of Federal Election commission (?) today saying that that and the video of apparent vote changes/repaired ballots are evidence that state laws weren't followed, which he says should invalidate the election.

ETA: Trey Trainor, Chairman of the Fed Election Commission:

Voter Fraud Is Taking Place, Chair of the Federal Election - London Daily

"State law says that observers should be allowed there. Since they weren't this is an illegitimate election."
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m all for the investigation and the truth coming out. Unfortunately there are videos of one side being locked out. That should never happen. Again it’s all about optics. It would not be difficult to solve these problems with a standard for the federal election.
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Being locked out is definitely something that shouldn't have happened. And only a fool wouldn't at least assume the possibility that something nefarious may have been going on. But if no evidence of voter fraud comes to light in that situation, what's the next move?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Well, there it is.


Like I said, I didn't expect my analysis to match theirs, as it's independent and incomplete. But I can say that I've verified (so far) a loss of over 400,000 votes for Trump in the data available to me.
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The script looks like just the raw data that fills in display tables, without having anything to do with the tabulations. You are right; that script does document a big flip in count, but it's an indicator more than a smoking gun. What analysts really need to get hands on is the patch pushed out by Dominion in the middle of an election, and more importantly how the hell could anyone push a patch during the actual election process. Modifying the software in the middle of the night during the election for whatever reason is just not anything near acceptable practice. It may not have been done with fraud in mind, but that it was done is completely wrong. Honesty when you deal with software requires configuration control - locked down software - an open above board look at what has to be changed and why by all involved parties - programmers through users - and consent. Imagine how devastating the results might be if an unstable person rolled out patches to FAA tracking software, flight control software on aircraft, etc in the middle of the night and nobody knew or cared.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
trumpers will still be in here 1/22/2021 complaining about a stolen election. The country will move forward. We can leave you all in whatever year you claim was great...1940, 1948, 1952, 1861, or 1800....
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From the party that cried Russia! for 4 years. Give me a break
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes, there are hypocrites all around us. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) was very critical of Hillary Clinton in September for advising Joe Biden to not concede defeat on election night, regardless of what the election returns were. Today, Rep. McCarthy is encouraging Donald Trump to exhaust all possible legal options before conceding defeat. That is no different than what Hillary Clinton was advising Biden to do.
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And you would have been fine with it if it were Biden.
 
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If any of these Cabinet guesses for Biden are correct, that's reason enough to overturn the election.

Susan Rice for SecState? The woman who lied to the world about how people died?

Elizabeth Warren for Treasury?

Bernie for Labor?

Sally Yates as Attorney General? The one who defied a President?

Can he go ahead and nominate Rashida Tlaib for Ambassador to Israel while he's at it? Oh, I know, Maxine Waters for UN Secretary.

Leland Yee as ATF Director? Or is that the moron from Texas? I think Beto would be far better as one of the SCOTUS picks.

Blumenthal for SecDef?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
We're going to lockdown the country but open our borders??
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Think about it. The people who we can't account for can work ... because we don't know they are here. Somebody's got to keep the place running while citizens are locked up and "protected". Something that Lewis Carroll and Joseph Heller could admire.
 
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AM64 said:
The script looks like just the raw data that fills in display tables, without having anything to do with the tabulations. You are right; that script does document a big flip in count, but it's an indicator more than a smoking gun. What analysts really need to get hands on is the patch pushed out by Dominion in the middle of an election, and more importantly how the hell could anyone push a patch during the actual election process. Modifying the software in the middle of the night during the election for whatever reason is just not anything near acceptable practice. It may not have been done with fraud in mind, but that it was done is completely wrong. Honesty when you deal with software requires configuration control - locked down software - an open above board look at what has to be changed and why by all involved parties - programmers through users - and consent. Imagine how devastating the results might be if an unstable person rolled out patches to FAA tracking software, flight control software on aircraft, etc in the middle of the night and nobody knew or cared.
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From what I've gathered, all you need is smoking gun(s) enough to realistically call the election into question. If you have proof that invalidates ballots, they throw them out and recount. If you have enough proof that the election was tampered with, and you don't know which ballots are legitimate and which aren't, that's when the courts call the entire election illegitimate and legislators vote in our stead.

That's my understanding anyway. I am not a lawyer, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I did, however look at enough data to feel that these digital results deserve deep and detailed investigation. That how digital forensics almost always work. The analyst knows what areas to look for suspicious indicators, they pivot from those found, and prove what actually happened.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
And you would have been fine with it if it were Biden.
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No, I wouldn't have. Not under these same circumstances, where there is not a viable path to victory. I did support Al Gore's legal fight in 2000, but Gore had a realistic chance of prevailing. Gore's legal fight came down to a manual recount in just one district of just one state. George W. Bush's lead in Florida on election night was less than 2,000 votes. Trump does not have a viable path to 270 electoral college votes. He is just prolonging the inevitable. It's sour grapes.
 
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#79,995
The only Cabinet position that I saw that remotely made sense was Pete for VA Secretary. But if I were him, I'd avoid that like the plague.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If any of these Cabinet guesses for Biden are correct, that's reason enough to overturn the election.

Susan Rice for SecState? The woman who lied to the world about how people died?

Elizabeth Warren for Treasury?

Bernie for Labor?

Sally Yates as Attorney General? The one who defied a President?

Can he go ahead and nominate Rashida Tlaib for Ambassador to Israel while he's at it? Oh, I know, Maxine Waters for UN Secretary.

Leland Yee as ATF Director? Or is that the moron from Texas? I think Beto would be far better as one of the SCOTUS picks.

Blumenthal for SecDef?
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Lol.
 
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Dem voters were being contacted prior to Election Day to remedy their ballots which is against the law, and these individuals (maybe inadvertently?) admit to it. Bizarre
 
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