2020 Presidential Race

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Orange_Crush said:
From what I've gathered, all you need is smoking gun(s) enough to realistically call the election into question. If you have proof that invalidates ballots, they throw them out and recount. If you have enough proof that the election was tampered with, and you don't know which ballots are legitimate and which aren't, that's when the courts call the entire election illegitimate and legislators vote in our stead.

That's my understanding anyway. I am not a lawyer, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I did, however look at enough data to feel that these digital results deserve deep and detailed investigation. That how digital forensics almost always work. The analyst knows what areas to look for suspicious indicators, they pivot from those found, and prove what actually happened.
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I agree, the data in the script show some kind of serious recalculating in the actual tabulating software. What and why and how it could happen in the middle of an election should scare the crap out of any reasonably coherent person. All the bugs should have been found and cured way before the election and the software impervious to change. At this point, Dominion should be banned from ever again producing software used in an election or other process; even if the change was correct, the process wasn't.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If any of these Cabinet guesses for Biden are correct, that's reason enough to overturn the election.

Susan Rice for SecState? The woman who lied to the world about how people died?

Elizabeth Warren for Treasury?

Bernie for Labor?

Sally Yates as Attorney General? The one who defied a President?

Can he go ahead and nominate Rashida Tlaib for Ambassador to Israel while he's at it? Oh, I know, Maxine Waters for UN Secretary.

Leland Yee as ATF Director? Or is that the moron from Texas? I think Beto would be far better as one of the SCOTUS picks.

Blumenthal for SecDef?
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Yeahhhh. Surely some of those aren’t actual viable options. Surely.
 
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AM64 said:
Is there a decent site with info about the remain house seats? USA Today says there are 15 up in the air, but they don't say were, and to go state by state through their stuff is nuts. One thing for sure Pelosi is going to have her hands full because the house is closer to 50/50 than it was and she's got her flock of addled activists to deal with. Couldn't happen to a better witch - assuming she doesn't get dumped.
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This one is good for an overview but if you click on individual it takes you to their paywall https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-house.html
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, I wouldn't have. Not under these same circumstances, where there is not a viable path to victory. I did support Al Gore's legal fight in 2000, but Gore had a realistic chance of prevailing. Gore's legal fight came down to a manual recount in just one district of just one state. George W. Bush's lead in Florida on election night was less than 2,000 votes. Trump does not have a viable path to 270 electoral college votes. He is just prolonging the inevitable. It's sour grapes.
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Bro you literally cried about Russia the past 4 years and now you're upset that Trump hasn't conceded the strangest election in US history in less than a week? Again, give me a break.
 
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VolnJC said:
Total popular vote percentage for President:
Biden 50.9% Trump 47.5%
Total popular vote percentage for President minus California:
Biden 50.0079%
Trump 49.92%
Still want to get rid of the electoral college? If you live outside the large population centers, you would never see a candidate.
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They want rid of it because it ensures a 1 party system. They are crying for a dictatorship. I mean, they voted for a commie in Harris.
 
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VolnJC said:
Total popular vote percentage for President:
Biden 50.9% Trump 47.5%
Total popular vote percentage for President minus California:
Biden 50.0079%
Trump 49.92%
Still want to get rid of the electoral college? If you live outside the large population centers, you would never see a candidate.
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Yeah let’s just remove the largest state in the country. Their votes don’t matter.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Bro you literally cried about Russia the past 4 years and now you're upset that Trump hasn't conceded the strangest election in US history in less than a week? Again, give me a break.
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At no point did I ever say that Trump's victory in the 2016 was illegitimate. I never said that election was rigged, and I never said that Russia's meddling cost Clinton any votes, much less determined the outcome of the election.

I did believe that the June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower deserved an investigation. I also believed that Russia was responsible for hacking the DNC. However, none of that has to do with the end result of that election, AND I NEVER SAID OTHERWISE!!!!

If you find even one damn post of mine, where I said Trump didn't win the 2016 election fairly... and I will NEVER post here again. I never said that.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
At no point did I ever say that Trump's victory in the 2016 was illegitimate. I never said that election was rigged, and I never said that Russia's meddling cost Clinton any votes, much less determined the outcome of the election.

I did believe that the June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower deserved an investigation. I also believed that Russia was responsible for hacking the DNC. However, none of that has to do with the end result of that election, AND I NEVER SAID OTHERWISE!!!!
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But let's be honest.....many did what he is claiming correct?
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Slave masters had black kids, they were still racists. Do you think donald cares about his grandkids? I would be my yearly salary that he doesn't know their names.
Bidens crime bill was a bipartisan crime bill. The CBC wrote a large part of the crime bill. As Biden so eloquently said, the intent of the bill was misapplied on the state level. There were more blacks released from jail under the Obama Administration than under donald, but donald feels the need to try and pander to black people as if we would vote for him. Turns out there are about 12% that vote republican no matter what.
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Uh that's up from 8% in '16 and 6% in '12. So not sure you should say "no matter what".
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Yeah let’s just remove the largest state in the country. Their votes don’t matter.
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Not what I was saying...just the opposite one state shouldn't decide for the country...I feel the same way about primaries...early states have too much power...this year all the moderate Dem candidates dropped out before most could vote....My plan would be more parties parliamentary system...leader of majority coalition is President
 
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Grand Vol said:
If any of these Cabinet guesses for Biden are correct, that's reason enough to overturn the election.

Susan Rice for SecState? The woman who lied to the world about how people died?

Elizabeth Warren for Treasury?

Bernie for Labor?

Sally Yates as Attorney General? The one who defied a President?

Can he go ahead and nominate Rashida Tlaib for Ambassador to Israel while he's at it? Oh, I know, Maxine Waters for UN Secretary.

Leland Yee as ATF Director? Or is that the moron from Texas? I think Beto would be far better as one of the SCOTUS picks.

Blumenthal for SecDef?
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Rice is pretty much a lock to be at State. I’d say Yates is a legit possibility at Justice. Flournoy will be SecDef. Pete might be UN Ambassador. Under normal conditions Warren and Bernie would be in the cabinet, but Dems can’t afford to lose their senate seats, so they’re probably out. We’re screwed no matter what.
 
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jp1 said:
But let's be honest.....many did what he is claiming correct?
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Many Democrats did blame Russia's interference on Clinton's defeat. However, it is worth noting that Hillary Clinton conceded defeat the day after the election, and she also said this during her concession speech:

"Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for and I'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country."

And later in the same speech, she said this....

"We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead."

- Hillary Clinton, November 9, 2016, while conceding defeat to Donald Trump

It is also worth noting, that the electoral college result in 2020 is projected to be exactly the same as what it was in 2016:

306 to 232.

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At no point during her concession speech on November 9th, did Hillary Clinton ever try to delegitimize Donald Trump's victory. She never said the election was rigged, and she offered no excuses for her surprising defeat. She was gracious.

What are the chances of Donald Trump ever saying anything like this? Zero. Trump will be bitter, angry, petty and resentful. Trump will make excuses for his loss, and he will cast blame on everyone from Pfizer to Dr. Anthony Fauci, to Fox News, and to every Democrat in Congress. Trump will never accept defeat and he will spend the rest of his life trying to convince us all that he actually won the election - BY ALOT!

LOL!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
At no point did I ever say that Trump's victory in the 2016 was illegitimate. I never said that election was rigged, and I never said that Russia's meddling cost Clinton any votes, much less determined the outcome of the election.

I did believe that the June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower deserved an investigation. I also believed that Russia was responsible for hacking the DNC. However, none of that has to do with the end result of that election, AND I NEVER SAID OTHERWISE!!!!

If you find even one damn post of mine, where I said Trump didn't win the 2016 election fairly... and I will NEVER post here again. I never said that.
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PLEASE somebody start researching this as well as @Orange_Crush has been researching the vote data!
I have faith in you Vol fans!
 
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VolnJC said:
Total popular vote percentage for President:
Biden 50.9% Trump 47.5%
Total popular vote percentage for President minus California:
Biden 50.0079%
Trump 49.92%
Still want to get rid of the electoral college? If you live outside the large population centers, you would never see a candidate.
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Wow, if you take away the most populous us state and worlds 5th largest economy, it has a significant impact in the results. Truly amazing stuff here. Also Biden still wins. Maybe I’ll start looking at UT as undefeated after I ignore all their losses
 
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