2020 Presidential Race

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luthervol said:
That is the natural extension of the electoral college. It would not be that way if we went with majority.
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There would probably be even higher voter turnout too. A lot of people in “safe states” don’t bother when their EC votes are already determined before voting even starts.

Here we are talking about historic turnout and it’s still only 62-65%. That means tens of millions of people still decided it wasn’t worth the effort.
 
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Boston Vol said:
The Presidency is this biggest prize in American politics, so obviously republicans should feel gutted by losing it. That being said, everything else on election night went about as well as they could have possibly dreamed. They’ll still control the Senate, which basically neuters Biden’s presidency before it starts. Then with the shocking results across the country on election night, they’ve put themselves in prime position to win back the house in two years. And on top of that, conservatives rule the federal judiciary.
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You are correct. Republicans had a great election cycle. Much better than what was expected. So, with that being the context, does it make sense for Republicans to complain about a "rigged" system of elections, when they won almost every single toss up election all across the country... just because Trump lost?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Conservatives probably feel quite okay with everything. Trump is out, Biden won, but will be neutered for his term. It’s the MAGAs that are most upset. They only care about one thing, and that’s Trump. He lost, so everybody has to lose. That’s the way it goes.
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That's the very superficial view. We should all be irate that this country can't seem to do something simple like hold honest elections free of drama and doubt - doing the most fundamental of things like counting properly and faithfully determining that eligible voters made their choices freely. Who wins is secondary - in fact, far from being the most important issue.
 
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AM64 said:
That's the very superficial view. We should all be irate that this country can't seem to do something simple like hold honest elections free of drama and doubt - doing the most fundamental of things like counting properly and faithfully determining that eligible voters made their choices freely. Who wins is secondary - in fact, far from being the most important issue.
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I think we have demonstrated we are capable of conducting a “free and fair” election.

We have not demonstrated that the losers won’t scream and cry foul because they lost.
 
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Just saw some tragic examples of final stage TDS...large group of Libs on Twitter angry and wanting the Generals to disobey if Trump orders the troops out of Afghanistan before Christmas
 
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AM64 said:
That's the very superficial view. We should all be irate that this country can't seem to do something simple like hold honest elections free of drama and doubt - doing the most fundamental of things like counting properly and faithfully determining that eligible voters made their choices freely. Who wins is secondary - in fact, far from being the most important issue.
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Yours is the "superficial view" and it's ridiculous. This country just held honest elections all over the country... and Republicans won damn near every single close election. As far as drama is concerned? There will be drama whenever you have a narcissist on the ballot, whose ego won't allow for the acceptance of defeat. There is no credible proof of fraud during this election cycle. Nothing is ever perfect... there will be snafus and human error. There was nothing on a systemic level. We have sour grapes being expressed. That is it.

It is absurd for Republicans to applaud the results of all of their victories from this election cycle... but then claim that they were cheated in one of the few that they lost.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I think we have demonstrated we are capable of conducting a “free and fair” election.

We have not demonstrated that the losers won’t scream and cry foul because they lost.
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Nope. We haven't in any way shape or form demonstrated that we conduct free and fair elections. Not this year or generally in the past. Mostly fair; most would agree; but we can do better. You'd feel different if an engineer conducted a mostly accurate test at a nearby nuclear plant. That's my world - engineering - and it isn't subject to unproven algorithms. This isn't difficult - count and tally the numbers, and verify the inputs.
 
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AM64 said:
Nope. We haven't in any way shape or form demonstrated that we conduct free and fair elections. Not this year or generally in the past. Mostly fair; most would agree; but we can do better. You'd feel different if an engineer conducted a mostly accurate test at a nearby nuclear plant. That's my world - engineering - and it isn't subject to unproven algorithms. This isn't difficult - count and tally the numbers, and verify the inputs.
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This is so ignorant. We just had over 150 million people vote in this country. That is about as "free" as it is ever going to get... and you have no proof of fraud. You can point to some snafus here and there... but nothing which suggests intent to defraud the process or a systemic problem. Trump should be a mature enough adult to accept the results.
 
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AM64 said:
Nope. We haven't in any way shape or form demonstrated that we conduct free and fair elections. Not this year or generally in the past. Mostly fair; most would agree; but we can do better. You'd feel different if an engineer conducted a mostly accurate test at a nearby nuclear plant. That's my world - engineering - and it isn't subject to unproven algorithms. This isn't difficult - count and tally the numbers, and verify the inputs.
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That’s what they do. There is no evidence to contrary no matter how many Twitter screen caps or fake YouTube videos try to pretend otherwise.

There are ways to make it more secure. Mitch McConnell has Bills in his dungeon he doesn’t even want to debate.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Why don't you do it?
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Aw hell, Im just a poor ol dumb right winger.
I dont know how to do all that fancy computin stuff.

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Plus....was just a joke BB. ;)
 
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AM64 said:
Nope. We haven't in any way shape or form demonstrated that we conduct free and fair elections. Not this year or generally in the past. Mostly fair; most would agree; but we can do better. You'd feel different if an engineer conducted a mostly accurate test at a nearby nuclear plant. That's my world - engineering - and it isn't subject to unproven algorithms. This isn't difficult - count and tally the numbers, and verify the inputs.
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Lets put it this way. If BB's bank conducted an audit with such discrepancies, somebody going to prison
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is so ignorant. We just had over 150 million people vote in this country. That is about as "free" as it is ever going to get... and you have no proof of fraud. You can point to some snafus here and there... but nothing which suggests intent to defraud the process or a systemic problem. Trump should be a mature enough adult to accept the results.
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Do banks still require that tellers balance to the penny at closing time or is close just good enough, and should the person responsible for profits and losses just be mature enough to accept "close enough"?
 
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Orangeburst said:
Lets put it this way. If BB's bank conducted an audit with such discrepancies, somebody going to prison
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There are frequently discrepancies... and 99% of the time, it's just good old fashion human error at the heart of the problem. We've had a FSR misapply a $500K HELOC dispersal following the refinance of a mortgage. It was a headache and took some time to clear up... She received a written reprimand for the rather gross and careless error, but she didn't go to prison.

The point is most of the incidents that the Trump team is pointing to as "fraud" are more accurately described as "human error" which didn't necessarily favor Biden. The Trump legal team wants to assign malice to anything irregular that they can find. Throw out those 10,000 ballots received in Pennsylvania after November 3rd, if it makes you happy. That's fine. I doubt all of the votes were for Biden anyway. Trump still lost this election.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Yah. I'll let them prove their case or not. I'm trying to be very careful about what I claim. All I have seen is that code seems to have highlighted legitimate examples of lost votes. We'll see if that's a part of the system that's to be expected, or if it's a systemic issue that altered the elections.
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They make no claim, except to say the statistical probability of these replicating voting patterns in three of the most populous counties and among politically similar precincts. are virtually zero That pattern is even as Trump is outperforming Republicans in precincts with weak Republican support, his support was inversely weaker in precincts showed greater Repub support...?

They dismiss the RINO and leftist claims that ‘respectable’ Repubs abandoned him as it simply is not supported by the data.

And that the weighted race feature - FFS this is even present in voting systems - doesn’t turn itself on, that would be a human operation. It allows a whole or fractional number greater than one to be assigned for each vote. And if turned on intentionally, would be election fraud on a grand scale.
 
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