2020 Presidential Race

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AM64 said:
It's one of those things you don't pay attention to. I'm was pretty sure the tear off tab at the top had a number - now I'm questioning that. I spent a few years managing and analyzing big databases and got pretty good at SQL. If you want to make a database impervious to duplicate entries, you just use an ID number. ID and a matching name can exist elsewhere, but the main (or more public) database would only have an anonymous identifier. It's easy enough then to query the database and look for duplicates, records with no ID, or an ID out of range. Presumably a scanner would read the coded ID and enter it with the marked boxes.
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Yep. That's what the primary key is for.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well hell... you could say the same for Trump. Why would he run for president to get his reputation tarnished? He was one of the most popular people in this country before he threw his name in the ring. Then he became a racist misogynist Russian apparatchik.
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I think when Trump did a goofy TV show he trashed his laurels enough, but I've said before I never thought much of Trump to begin with - good salesman apparently. Rudy did have some worthy accomplishments.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Yep. That's what the primary key is for.
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Can it still be possible to pass the same ballots multiple times by turning off this feature or ignoring duplicates? That seems like the fastest way for someone to create votes in such a short period of time. Instead of creating 200k votes, you create 5000 or so and pass them through multiple times.
 
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AM64 said:
It's one of those things you don't pay attention to. I'm was pretty sure the tear off tab at the top had a number - now I'm questioning that. I spent a few years managing and analyzing big databases and got pretty good at SQL. If you want to make a database impervious to duplicate entries, you just use an ID number. ID and a matching name can exist elsewhere, but the main (or more public) database would only have an anonymous identifier. It's easy enough then to query the database and look for duplicates, records with no ID, or an ID out of range. Presumably a scanner would read the coded ID and enter it with the marked boxes.
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Counting votes ain’t rocket science. Or nuclear engineering.

But leave it to politics and they’ll screw up a wet dream.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Yep. That's what the primary key is for.
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So are you like me in thinking that actual tabulation of votes is a pretty simple operation, and there are straightforward ways to insure integrity and still maintain voter anonymity? The numbers may be big, and the time compressed, but the methodology is basically too simple to screw up unintentionally?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Can it still be possible to pass the same ballots multiple times by turning off this feature or ignoring duplicates? That seems like the fastest way for someone to create votes in such a short period of time. Instead of creating 200k votes, you create 5000 or so and pass them through multiple times.
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In theory you shouldn't have features to turn on or off.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Can it still be possible to pass the same ballots multiple times by turning off this feature or ignoring duplicates? That seems like the fastest way for someone to create votes in such a short period of time. Instead of creating 200k votes, you create 5000 or so and pass them through multiple times.
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I don't know the system. Databases can allow duplicates. Primary keys are not mandatory in design.
 
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AM64 said:
So are you like me in thinking that actual tabulation of votes is a pretty simple operation, and there are straightforward ways to insure integrity and still maintain voter anonymity? The numbers may be big, and the time compressed, but the methodology is basically too simple to screw up unintentionally?
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Yep.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
LOL if they passed through a few of the planted ballots multiple times... wow.
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You pose an intriguing question.

How can we know if there are safeguards in the system that would prevent this?

Because if there are no safeguards we can be sure it’s being done...

Whether in extent enough to swing a State or congressional seat is another thing.

But the mere fact of such a question being relevant right now, is not good.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Lol... ok
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When my engineering days were over, a friend asked me to help with the computers and data analysis their small company was doing - I wound up as a partner. I managed the computers, a small network, and the databases. We acquired written off unpaid or presumably incorrectly paid insurance claims and reanalyzed and rebilled for the hospitals. I believe five TN hospitals had a unique payment for some specific procedures. One specific DRG was paid at something like $50K statewide and the other hospitals (Vandy, UT, ...) were reimbursed at close to $150K. We found a lot of what we thought were errors in using the statewide rate at the other hospitals. I was looking through a major insuror printout, and the error was too glaring to even believe. Their form showed the correct payment right across the line until they got to totals, and the number was "truncated" ... what may have been $158,778 simply became $58,778. They underpaid every one of those claims by $100,000. We had a field day with that. It takes a human to screw up the code, but a computer running it can screw things up in a hurry.
 
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RavinDave said:
You pose an intriguing question.

How can we know if there are safeguards in the system that would prevent this?

Because if there are no safeguards we can be sure it’s being done...

Whether in extent enough to swing a State or congressional seat is another thing.

But the mere fact of such a question being relevant right now, is not good.
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Good question. It may exist, but I don't know how we would know unless the people running elections decided transparency was the way to go. A basic layer of security simply involves encoding every ballot with an ID - like a serial number on currency, and incorporating software to read the ID and reject ballots without an ID (presumably counterfeit) and duplicate entries - accidental or fraudulent.
 
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OldVolMan said:
I am concerned that is going to happen worse than we have ever seen.
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If somehow some miracle happens and fraud is proven such that there is an audit and a recount and Trump ended up winning, the riot would be like nothing we've ever seen before. And the media and the dems would encourage it.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If somehow some miracle happens and fraud is proven such that there is an audit and a recount and Trump ended up winning, the riot would be like nothing we've ever seen before. And the media and the dems would encourage it.
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It would be even worse, as I doubt there would be a recount. Most likely the election would be thrown out and state reps would vote Trump in.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If somehow some miracle happens and fraud is proven such that there is an audit and a recount and Trump ended up winning, the riot would be like nothing we've ever seen before. And the media and the dems would encourage it.
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Just need a sliver of fraud to show systemic fraud. At least that is how the racism thing works.
 
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