2020 Presidential Race

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NorthDallas40 said:
How do they determine where you live? Since voting goes down to the officials in your precinct residence and all?

And it takes like 5 minutes to register to vote and most states let you do it online now?
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Well the SSN idea would go on top of existing data, with also having to provide a photo ID.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Actually the small state/big state issue was only part of it. Slavery was another. These were complex things, but even you brought up the 3/5 compromise which is directly tied to the EC. Like it or not, slavery was something that factored into the decision to create the EC. Without it the southern states wouldn’t have enough eligible citizens to matter.
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And as for your last sentence, all the states mattered when it came to ratifying the Constitution. Joining the Union was not mandatory, it was voluntary. It wasn't as if the FFs could have written whatever they wanted and the populace would just have to live with it. The people in each state had to agree to it.
 
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OHvol40 said:
It depends on preferred implementation methods, but either nationally through IRS records, social security records or census records; or locally through another record-keeping method every eligible voter is passively registered.
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So you want the various counties of the country to search our IRS records or social security records?

Think about what you are asking, we register to vote in our counties, not with the federal government.
 
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Weezer said:
This is inaccurate. The question of how slaves would be counted didn't come up until after the EC had been agreed upon. And again, the EC was a compromise. One side wanted the legislators to choose the President, and one side wanted popular vote. So they compromised and created the EC. It's how the Constitution was created, through compromise. The FFs created a system of government that they could then take back to their individual states and sell as something worth ratifying. Each state had to feel like they were getting a fair deal. It took 9 states ratifying the Constitution to go into effect, and if a state were to choose not to ratify, they wouldn't have been part of the Union. Each state joined willingly. Yes, slavery came to effect the EC, but the EC was not created because of slavery. That's just historically wrong.
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No, you are incorrect. It was certainly debated during the constitutional convention. As a matter of fact, slavery was one of the most hotly contested issues at the convention on a large number of matters.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Louder was right it’s still required. And I don’t care one way or another on compulsory registration other than it’s heavy handed. I don’t see a valid mechanism for automatic. Even social security requires active registration.

This isn’t that hard 🤷‍♂️
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Maybe not hard, but some universal standard would be a good start. Only thing I've ever needed was my Driver's License, but some uniformity would go a long way here.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So it’s automatic and tied to any number of other compulsory processes which require active registration. Looks pretty dumb.
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Getting a social security number or paying taxes already happens and will continue to happen, I know that’s hard to understand...
 
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Stew Cook said:
Maybe not hard, but some universal standard would be a good start. Only thing I've ever needed was my Driver's License, but some uniformity would go a long way here.
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I’ve got no problem with tying compulsory registration to your DL or state ID for those who have that instead. Compare the state DLID and voter logs and mail notices of non compliance. I mean ... if that’s what you guys really want. Seems like over reach though.
 
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OHvol40 said:
No, you are incorrect. It was certainly debated during the constitutional convention. As a matter of fact, slavery was one of the most hotly contested issues at the convention on a large number of matters.
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I'm not incorrect. You're misinformed. What the hell are they teaching in history nowadays?
 
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Weezer said:
And as for your last sentence, all the states mattered when it came to ratifying the Constitution. Joining the Union was not mandatory, it was voluntary. It wasn't as if the FFs could have written whatever they wanted and the populace would just have to live with it. The people in each state had to agree to it.
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Which is why the three states that were actively still importing slaves threatened to walk away if slavery was outlawed. They would continue this experiment of trying to hold the rest of the country hostage on account of slavery for another 80 years or so.
 
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hog88 said:
So you want the various counties of the country to search our IRS records or social security records?

Think about what you are asking, we register to vote in our counties, not with the federal government.
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That’s how you currently do it. You understand we are taking about a change, right?
 
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lostsheep said:
I would argue it's a very similar argument in that both acts are for the public welfare.
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Alledgely for the public welfare.

Some people will believe the government is doing something, or allowing, for the good of the people just because the government says it's for the good of the people.
 
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lostsheep said:
I would argue it's a very similar argument in that both acts are for the public welfare.
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I don't care about you argument.


SS is a ****-show that forcibly took money out of my paycheck with the promise of guaranteeing my welfare after retirement, and I will see no return because it was a Ponze scheme that the gov't mismanaged into bankruptcy.

You're standing it up as some paragon of brilliant policy. SMH.
 
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OHvol40 said:
No, you are incorrect. It was certainly debated during the constitutional convention. As a matter of fact, slavery was one of the most hotly contested issues at the convention on a large number of matters.
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And right back to complete goal post moving again.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I don't care about you argument.


SS is a ****-show that forcibly took money out of my paycheck with the promise of guaranteeing my welfare after retirement, and I will see no return because it was a Ponze scheme that the gov't mismanaged into bankruptcy.

You're standing it up as some paragon of brilliant policy. SMH.
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Imagine someone trying to sell this idea as an individual.

Just give me some of your money for the rest of your life. And when you retire I will give some of it back. I promise.
 
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OHvol40 said:
That’s how you currently do it. You understand we are taking about a change, right?
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So let me get this straight, you want to federal government to send your information to your local election board? You think that can be done without error? Without hiring massive numbers of federal employees? Who keeps up with people moving?
 
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