2020 Presidential Race

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volfanhill said:
And we both know if this isn't done then the claim is bs.
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Also to be clear, and as usual, many of the tweets making claims on people running the ballots thru machines multiple times and what not are simply unfounded and not what the original individual stated. It was data forensics only comparing the electronic reported counts to the hand counted paper ballots for Ware Co.

People should be blowing up the Ware Co election officials phone lines.
 
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@volfanhill to be clear with you I’m not spinning a conspiracy theory here trying to prove fraud. I just figured this particular story should be easy to verify and I was able to find patient zero. Frankly the guy makes a lot of claims that he didn’t back up in the audio. But at least the origin story is there to hear for this event.

I still haven’t seen PROOF. But I do think this particular case should be hammered thru and let’s then see what pops out. There still hasn’t been PROOF presented that I have seen.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
@volfanhill to be clear with you I’m not spinning a conspiracy theory here trying to prove fraud. I just figured this particular story should be easy to verify and I was able to find patient zero. Frankly the guy makes a lot of claims that he didn’t back up in the audio. But at least the origin story is there to hear for this event.

I still haven’t seen PROOF. But I do think this particular case should be hammered thru and let’s then see what pops out. There still hasn’t been PROOF presented that I have seen.
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I got no problem reviewing actual tangible accusations. I think it's important to our republic. You do a good job of balancing it. I have yet to see anything that makes me believe any fraud, of substantial scale has happened that would turn the election to Trump, but that doesn't mean I won't see it at some point. What I am 100% confident in is that Trump will make sure anything tangible is shoved in our face. I just have little confidence that exists.
 
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volfanhill said:
I got no problem reviewing actual tangible accusations. I think it's important to our republic. You do a good job of balancing it. I have yet to see anything that makes me believe any fraud, of substantial scale has happened that would turn the election to Trump, but that doesn't mean I won't see it at some point. What I am 100% confident in is that Trump will make sure anything tangible is shoved in our face. I just have little confidence that exists.
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It’s getting awful damn late for nothing to have been unequivocally presented if it was so clear cut.

And as I discussed with a fellow red hat yesterday if the libs are this skilled at covering up the biggest election heist ever after four years of Keystone Cops RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA were all doomed anyway.
 
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volfanhill said:
I got no problem reviewing actual tangible accusations. I think it's important to our republic. You do a good job of balancing it. I have yet to see anything that makes me believe any fraud, of substantial scale has happened that would turn the election to Trump, but that doesn't mean I won't see it at some point. What I am 100% confident in is that Trump will make sure anything tangible is shoved in our face. I just have little confidence that exists.
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What effect, if any, does the current monsoon of BS have? (In your opinion.)
 
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MontyPython said:
Your presumption is correct: Donald Trump could, indeed, cause the end of the Republican party.

The GOP lost the 2016 election by 3 million votes. The GOP lost the 2020 election by 7 million votes. This is a real trend.

At this point, the GOP is the de facto minority party in the United States. It largely represents the views and opinions of a collection of shrinking demographics here: White. Conservative. Anti-gun restriction. Anti-abortion.

The new America is none of these things. If the GOP fails to change and embrace these *realities*, I suspect it will go the route of the Whig party and a new party will emerge from the ashes as Trump burns it all to the ground.

... and what a fitting end that would be for Donald J. Trump: The man who destroyed the party of Lincoln.
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Kinda weird too since Joe only won 450 counties when Obama won over 700 counties.
 
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loggervol said:
No signature verification or audit. Just a recount will not show any change in legal ballots. The accidental forgotten upload of 4500 Trump votes was the only change.
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But the hand recount does take away any kind of machine and/or software related problems in the Georgia presedential election, right?
 
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Danl said:
But the hand recount does take away any kind of machine and/or software related problems in the Georgia presedential election, right?
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It should, but the article doesn't really say what they did - just what Raffensperger wanted done and then a bunch of objections about why that wouldn't be better.
 
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Danl said:
But the hand recount does take away any kind of machine and/or software related problems in the Georgia presedential election, right?
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Ok, why was 4500 votes found on thumb drives that had been accidentally not counted.

If they make paper ballots from the machines without vetting the machines. The vote will still be the same except for the 4500 forgotten Trump votes.
 
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loggervol said:
Ok, why was 4500 votes found on thumb drives that had been accidentally not counted.

If they make paper ballots from the machines without vetting the machines. The vote will still be the same except for the 4500 forgotten Trump votes.
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Maybe that's why the big delay during the middle of the night. The machines had to dump out the extra ballots so the hand count would match the machine count. To me the "tickets" that the machines produce are not at all the same thing as a paper ballot. How does the voter know that the digital code that the machine reads reflects the names apparently printed below. And why go to the trouble of doing the touch screen to print out a ticket when you can simply fill the circles on a real ballot?
 
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loggervol said:
Ok, why was 4500 votes found on thumb drives that had been accidentally not counted.

If they make paper ballots from the machines without vetting the machines. The vote will still be the same except for the 4500 forgotten Trump votes.
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Here's how the voting machine works in Georgia

How Georgia’s new voting machines work

The printed ballots are both human readable and machine readable. The voter can clearly see who they are voting for before they scan the ballot into the ballot counting device. It is the human readable portion that the hand recount utilizes. Vetting the machine has nothing to do with it during a hand recount by humans. Right?
 
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Danl said:
Here's how the voting machine works in Georgia

How Georgia’s new voting machines work

The printed ballots are both human readable and machine readable. The voter can clearly see who they are voting for before they scan the ballot into the ballot counting device. It is the human readable portion that the hand recount utilizes. Vetting the machine has nothing to do with it during a hand recount by humans. Right?
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Oy vey
 
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Danl said:
Here's how the voting machine works in Georgia

How Georgia’s new voting machines work

The printed ballots are both human readable and machine readable. The voter can clearly see who they are voting for before they scan the ballot into the ballot counting device. It is the human readable portion that the hand recount utilizes. Vetting the machine has nothing to do with it during a hand recount by humans. Right?
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I read all that weeks ago. The voter knows the choices he/she made and I assume are printed below the code that the machine reads, but how does the voter know what the code block that the tabulator reads really says? The process seems to add unnecessary cost and complexity. Remember a few years ago when calibrated and certified touch screen voting machines didn't match the right candidate in the machine as the selection on the screen? Newer and fancier just doesn't always mean better.
 
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AM64 said:
I read all that weeks ago. The voter knows the choices he/she made and I assume are printed below the code that the machine reads, but how does the voter know what the code block that the tabulator reads really says? The process seems to add unnecessary cost and complexity. Remember a few years ago when calibrated and certified touch screen voting machines didn't match the right candidate in the machine as the selection on the screen? Newer and fancier just doesn't always mean better.
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But, if you do a hand recount, by humans, reading only the human readable portion that the voter reviewed before they entered the ballot into the machines, doesn't that negate all concerns about machines/software?
 
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Danl said:
But, if you do a hand recount, by humans, reading only the human readable portion that the voter reviewed before they entered the ballot into the machines, doesn't that negate all concerns about machines/software?
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You do know a audit and recount aren’t the same thing? Just wondering
 
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