2020 Presidential Race

[LouderVol]

Terrible analogy.

How? You are asking for states to prove innocence, without even proof of a crime, or that these particular states or counties were even involved.

There has yet to be an audit, recount, hand recount that proves significant (like .01%) deviation. Yet alone prove that deviation was due to direct intervention.

GA has done 3 or 4 different reviews. Results havent changed.

You have to prove your case first.

 

[LouderVol]

Again, record low ballot rejection rates is proof. Not proof Trump won, but proof enough that the burden is then on the State to provide a legitimate explanation as to why they were so low. You deny that record low ballot rejection rates are proof of anything. You are wrong and are either ignorant or being intentionally so.

We also had record voter turnout. So obviously more people were taking it serious this year, which means there would likely be less mistakes.

And again you have to have proof positive before you sling crap in a court. You dont have that.

 

[tnmarktx]

Like I said, if China was believed to be responsible for such a bold and aggressive cyber attack against both the American government and American corporate entities, Trump would be tweeting non-stop about it right now.... but because it's his buddy Putin - we get nothing but the sound of crickets chirping.

If you don't know that China is our greatest threat period, you shouldn't be posting in a political forum at all.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

What type of an aggressive statement? Threaten war? Sanctions? "you bad boys better stop it now"?

Threatening sanctions would be appropriate. A shiny new dime says Trump doesn't even give a damn

 

[USAFgolferVol]

I have and no it isn't.

Ok.

 

[McDad]

Those are entirely different matters and you know it. BTW, I am not a hero by any measure

I don't know it. We are economic partners with both countries. If we are not allies, what are we?

Truth is, Americans take a powerful 'world police' approach which justifies out absurd military spending but we feign weakness when those countries are atrocious to their people.

 

[hog88]

Threatening sanctions would be appropriate. A shiny new dime says Trump doesn't even give a damn

We have had sanctions on Russia and individuals inside Russia for several years, why haven't they stopped this?

 

[volgr]

There's no proof it was illegitimate

You do realize, the State sits on all the proof. Well we asked them about the record low rejection rates, they say they checked the ballots, so nothing to see here boys, they got no proof.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

I don't know it. We are economic partners with both countries. If we are not allies, what are we?

Truth is, Americans take a powerful 'world police' approach which justifies out absurd military spending but we feign weakness when those countries are atrocious to their people.

And I dislike that as much as you

 

[USAFgolferVol]

We have had sanctions on Russia and individuals inside Russia for several years, why haven't they stopped this?

Maybe not severe enough?

 

[BowlBrother85]

If you don't know that China is our greatest threat period, you shouldn't be posting in a political forum at all.

The discussion wasn't about that. The topic was this very bold cyber attack, which is believed to have been done by Russia. My point was simple: If China was believed to be responsible for this act of aggression, then Donald Trump would be tweeting about it right now, but because it's Russia, Trump will probably never even mention it. He will either play dumb when he is asked to comment on it... or worse, he will side with Putin's denial, and insist that another country could be responsible.

 

[hog88]

Maybe not severe enough?

What would be severe enough, maybe forcing Germany and western Europe to stop buying gas from them? Oh yeah we tried that and our allies told us to shove it up our azzes.

 

[hog88]

The discussion wasn't about that. The topic was this very bold cyber attack, which is believed to have been done by Russia. My point was simple: If China was believed to be responsible for this act of aggression, then Donald Trump would be tweeting about it right now, but because it's Russia, Trump will probably never even mention it. He will either play dumb when he is asked to comment on it... or worse, he will side with Putin's denial... and insist that another country could be responsible.

Did you google China's cyber attacks on us?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Did you google China's cyber attacks on us?

No, I'm not interested in your deflection. I'm speaking about this one specific cyber attack, which appears to be unprecedented in it's scope... with Russia apparently responsible.

 

[volgr]

This is what is maddening to fair minded people. Any honest person would say, yeah the record low ballot rejection rate is concerning. Shouldn't these States allow a small sample audit just to double check their work and give Americans peace of mind the election was legitimate? The partisan answers, no way, there is no proof, are you trying to destroy Democracy?

We heard for 4 years how important free and fair elections are. Democrats never missed an opportunity to preach this to America. Now, when they have the opportunity to assure the American people that election was free and fair, I haven't heard them call on these States to produce an audit. Have you?

Trust the government, isn't a good enough answer.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You do realize, the State sits on all the proof. Well we asked them about the record low rejection rates, they say they checked the ballots, so nothing to see here boys, they got no proof.

That is not what the Trump legal team says when they are on Fox News. Giuliani, Wood, Ellis and Powell have all done interviews where they insist up and down that they have evidence of systemic voter fraud of a large enough scale to overturn the results of the presidential election. It is only when they appear before a judge, when they admit to not having any proof. This post-election litigation has been a farce. The Trump legal representation has over-hyped their case for fraud, and under-delivered where it matters: in court.

 

[TN Ribs]

Oh boy.

Trump has checked out, he should just resign now so we can put this disastrous presidency in the rear view mirror.
Thousands dying daily from Covid, no stimulus deal, a Russian hack and all Trump wants to do is pardon people and spew election conspiracy theories.

 

[hog88]

No, I'm not interested in your deflection. I'm speaking about this one specific cyber attack, which appears to be unprecedented in it's scope... with Russia apparently responsible.

You do twitter, where is the Trump "tweetstorm" after these attacks? You did say he would have done one if China had conducted a cyber attack on us.

Significant Cyber Incidents | Center for Strategic and International Studies

U.S. Charges Chinese Nationals in Cyberattacks on More Than 100 Companies

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/07/fbi...cyberattacks-against-us-hudson-institute.html

 

[BowlBrother85]

Threatening sanctions would be appropriate. A shiny new dime says Trump doesn't even give a damn

Since Fox News won't ask him about it, and since he won't do another press conference... he will probably never address this incursion by Russia at all.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Trump has checked out, he should just resign now so we can put this disastrous presidency in the rear view mirror.
Thousands dying daily from Covid, no stimulus deal, a Russian hack and all Trump wants to do is pardon people and spew election conspiracy theories.

Right. Trump is fighting to keep a job that he is not even doing anymore. He is not exactly the hardest working man in showbiz right now.

 

[tnmarktx]

The discussion wasn't about that. The topic was this very bold cyber attack, which is believed to have been done by Russia. My point was simple: If China was believed to be responsible for this act of aggression, then Donald Trump would be tweeting about it right now, but because it's Russia, Trump will probably never even mention it. He will either play dumb when he is asked to comment on it... or worse, he will side with Putin's denial, and insist that another country could be responsible.

Who's confirmed that it was the Russians? The people that claimed that there were weapons of mass destruction? The people that claimed Hunter Biden scandal was Russian disinformation? How about those that claimed Trump was a Russian agent? Although it seems you astonishingly believe the last one.

 

[C-south]

Trump has checked out, he should just resign now so we can put this disastrous presidency in the rear view mirror.
Thousands dying daily from Covid, no stimulus deal, a Russian hack and all Trump wants to do is pardon people and spew election conspiracy theories.

Lol. If anyone it’s the local/state governments and individuals that are responsible for COVID infections. A stimulus deal would’ve been done months ago if the dims didn’t use it to try and squeeze in their agenda based bs. Russian hack? Lol. That only happens when dims don’t get their way.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Who's confirmed that it was the Russians? The people that claimed that there were weapons of mass destruction? The people that claimed Hunter Biden scandal was Russian disinformation? How about those that claimed Trump was a Russian agent? Although it seems you astonishingly believe the last one.

I think it was FireEye? I will have to go back and look.

 

[volgr]

That is not what the Trump legal team says when they are on Fox News. Giuliani, Wood, Ellis and Powell have all done interviews where they insist up and down that they have evidence of systemic voter fraud of a large enough scale to overturn the results of the presidential election. It is only when they appear before a judge, when they admit to not having any proof. This post-election litigation has been a farce. The Trump legal representation has over-hyped their case for fraud, and under-delivered where it matters: in court.

I'm not arguing that. I've already said Wood and Powell are clowns. Their claims are outlandish. You don't need the ghost of Hugo Chavez and stories of midnight raids in Germany to acquire servers. The margin of victory across a few key States lies within the historical rejection rate margin. That isn't proof Trump won. That isn't proof the election should be overturned. But any fair minded person should find that concerning and also find it concerning that these States are righting any audit of their mail in ballots, tooth and nail. It is known and accepted, mail in balloting is by far the biggest area of concern when it comes to potential fraud.

 

[LouderVol]

This is what is maddening to fair minded people. Any honest person would say, yeah the record low ballot rejection rate is concerning. Shouldn't these States allow a small sample audit just to double check their work and give Americans peace of mind the election was legitimate? The partisan answers, no way, there is no proof, are you trying to destroy Democracy?

We heard for 4 years how important free and fair elections are. Democrats never missed an opportunity to preach this to America. Now, when they have the opportunity to assure the American people that election was free and fair, I haven't heard them call on these States to produce an audit. Have you?

Trust the government, isn't a good enough answer.

Again. You dont just go in and declare an audit and it's so.

I am guessing you weren't supportive of the all the investigations into Trump. Not enough evidence. This is the same. Not enough evidence. Just unsupported bs to push politics because your side lost.