2020 Presidential Race

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tnmarktx said:
The basis is that this can't be hidden from the American public by big tech or the MSM. In the end your illegitimate candidate will most likely be certified. Those that support this election being free and fair will have to put their name on record as doing so. As far as how the populous takes how it all plays out is a wildcard.
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You still haven't explained why Trump's legal representation doesn't levy the same allegations of voter fraud in court, as they do on Fox News. Could it be that they know they can't win their case in a court of law, so they are just trying to win in the court of public opinion, instead?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You still haven't explained why Trump's legal representation doesn't levy the same allegations of voter fraud in court, as they do on Fox News. Could it be that they know they can't win their case in a court of law, so they are just trying to win in the court of public opinion, instead?
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Not at all. Courts have ruled no standing for ridiculous precedural reasoning. No evidence has been allowed to be presented. Courts are scared to or corrupted and will not touch it. If you had an open mind, had a moral compass, and viewed hearings with state legislatures you wouldn't be touting the fact that this was the most free and fair election that has ever been held in this country.
 
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Republicans who are going to put on a meaningless show on January 6th are going to be surprised to find out the effort won't really make Donald Trump any happier with them.
 
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#96,254
tnmarktx said:
Not at all. Courts have ruled no standing for ridiculous precedural reasoning. No evidence has been allowed to be presented. Courts are scared to or corrupted and will not touch it. If you had an open mind, had a moral compass, and viewed hearings with state legislatures you wouldn't be touting the fact that this was the most free and fair election that has ever been held in this country.
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That's not true. They've been asked to present evidence and can't. They do not even claim fraud when presenting in court like they do on tv or twitter
 
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utvolpj said:
That's not true. They've been asked to present evidence and can't. They do not even claim fraud when presenting in court like they do on tv or twitter
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You're wrong. The media you consume has failed you. Take Lin Wood's case for example. It was ruled that it had no standing because everyone's vote in Georgia was said to be diluted because of the way the election was ran there. Think about that, it wasn't denied that the election was ran contrary to the law it was ruled that the outcome would be the same because all voters in Georgia had the same injury.
 
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tnmarktx said:
You're wrong. The media you consume has failed you. Take Lin Wood's case for example. It was ruled that it had no standing because everyone's vote in Georgia was said to be deluted because of the way the election was ran there. Think about that, it wasn't denied that the election was ran contrary to the law it was ruled that the outcome would be the same because all voters in Georgia had the same injury.
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No I've simply read what the lawyers for the gop/potus have actually presented in court. You're relying on Twitter

And Lin Wood? Hahaha
 
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utvolpj said:
No I've simply read what the lawyers for the gop/potus have actually presented in court. You're relying on Twitter

And Lin Wood? Hahaha
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Have you read the opinion? Also in Wisconsin, it was voted down 3 to 4 that if indefinitely confined voters did not meet the requirements that votes could be thrown out. Are they afraid it would be proven that the law was broken. If you have a moral compass and you're not completely stupid, you can't deny that election laws in these states were broken.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Have you read the opinion? Also in Wisconsin, it was voted down 3 to 4 that if indefinitely confined voters did not meet the requirements that votes could be thrown out. Are they afraid it would be proven that the law was broken. If you have a moral compass and you're not completely stupid, you can't deny that election laws in these states were broken.
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I've read enough to know there are twitter claims and then court claims that do not match. I guess that happens when no sensible attorney will take up the case and you're left with what amounts to q nuts
 
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tnmarktx said:
Not at all. Courts have ruled no standing for ridiculous precedural reasoning. No evidence has been allowed to be presented. Courts are scared to or corrupted and will not touch it. If you had an open mind, had a moral compass, and viewed hearings with state legislatures you wouldn't be touting the fact that this was the most free and fair election that has ever been held in this country.
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This is a lie. As I previously pointed out in post #96,166 to this thread, Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump-appointee from the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, was willing to allow the Trump legal representation to call witnesses, and he was willing to hear any evidence of voter fraud that the Trump legal team wished to allege. In a 21 page ruling, Judge Bibas rebuked the Trump team's case with such statements as these:

"Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Free and fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges require specific allegations and the proof. We have neither here."

and this ....

"The Campaign (referring to Trump's legal representation) never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so."

and this ....

"The Campaign's charges are selective. Though Pennsylvania cast 2.6 million mail-in ballots, the Campaign challenges 1.5 million of them. It cherry-picks votes cast in 'Democratic-heavy counties' but not 'those in Republican-heavy counties.' Without compelling evidence of massive fraud, not even alleged here, we can hardly grant such lopsided relief."

-- Judge Stephanos Bibas, Third Circuit Court of Appeals, who was appointed to the bench by none other than President Donald Trump, while rejecting the Trump team's case on its merits... not for procedural reasons as you falsely stated.
 
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utvolpj said:
I've read enough to know there are twitter claims and then court claims that do not match. I guess that happens when no sensible attorney will take up the case and you're left with what amounts to q nuts
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You do realize that Lin Wood has likely made more money practising law then you or I will ever see. I don't know what state his mind is in now, but it's hard to argue his legal chops.
 
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utvolpj said:
I've read enough to know there are twitter claims and then court claims that do not match. I guess that happens when no sensible attorney will take up the case and you're left with what amounts to q nuts
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There is no denying that there is a disconnect between what members of Trump's legal representation are willing to claim in court filings, from what they will claim while appearing on Fox News. They always spice things up for Fox News... but never back it up while in front of a judge.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is no denying that there is a disconnect between what members of Trump's legal representation are willing to claim in court filings, from what they will claim while appearing on Fox News. They always spice things up for Fox News... but never back it up while in front of a judge.
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The amount of court filings by the president vs. other citizens have been misrepresented. Yet another doozy VN lie.
 
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tnmarktx said:
The amount of court filings by the president vs. other citizens have been misrepresented. Yet another doozy VN lie.
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Read the ruling of Judge Stephanos Bibas (a Trump appointee) and then contrast it with what Rudy Giuliani had alleged happened while appearing on Sean Hannity's show in November. There is no escaping the disconnect here. Rudy Giuliani made some bold claims of provable voter fraud in Pennsylvania while appearing on "Hannity", that he didn't make while standing before Judge Bibas. That is a fact.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Read the ruling of Judge Stephanos Bibas (a Trump appointee) and then contrast it with what Rudy Giuliani had alleged happened while appearing on Sean Hannity's show in November. There is no escaping the disconnect here. Rudy Giuliani made some bold claims of provable voter fraud in Pennsylvania while appearing on "Hannity", that he didn't make while standing before Judge Bibas. That is a fact.
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Lol, have you read the actual opinion? They filed the case on equal protection and the judge grandstanded on saying that there is no proof of fraud. Do you know how many cases have been won due to the euality clause?
 
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tnmarktx said:
You're wrong. The media you consume has failed you. Take Lin Wood's case for example. It was ruled that it had no standing because everyone's vote in Georgia was said to be diluted because of the way the election was ran there. Think about that, it wasn't denied that the election was ran contrary to the law it was ruled that the outcome would be the same because all voters in Georgia had the same injury.
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You really need to read the ruling of Judge Stephanos Bibas... once again, he is a Trump appointee. His rejection of the Trump team's case, was as he clearly stated, on its merits. The Trump legal team was provided an opportunity to prove the allegations of fraud which they had been making on Fox News. Not only did they not do that... they didn't even allege fraud at all in Judge Bibas's court.

READ THE RULING OF JUDGE STEPHANOS BIBAS.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Lol, have you read the actual opinion? They filed the case on equal protection and the judge grandstanded on saying that there is no proof of fraud. Do you know how many cases have been won due to the euality clause?
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Yes, I have... I quoted some of his damning statements. The Trump team didn't even allege fraud had occurred. You are lying when you claim that he rebuked the case for procedural reasons. He rebuked the case on its merits. GET A CLUE!

And he was "grandstanding"? Seriously? Good luck selling that crock. He was appointed to the bench by Trump himself.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I have read Judge Bibas's statement where he rebukes the case. I understand what the actual claims were... That is the whole damn point!!!! The Trump legal team will allege fraud while on Fox News but not allege fraud in court. Because they know they can't prove it!
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Read the ****ing opinion. Don't quote media, read the opinion.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Read the ****ing opinion. Don't quote media, read the opinion.
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I have... and once again, Judge Stephanos Bibas (an appointee of Donald Trump's, by the way) rebukes the case on its merits. He even specifically says that. The Trump legal team has made allegations of widespread and systemic voter fraud while appearing on Fox News... but then not even tried to prove those same claims when they were given an opportunity to do so in a legal proceeding before Judge Bibas. That is a fact.
 
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