2020 Presidential Race

[RikidyBones]

I think the past couple of nights solidified Biden as the front-runner.

However, he doesn't seem to have the stamina to stand up to Trump.

This is what I think as well.

 

[C-south]

That's true of everybody I guess. Most on the board think Obama is Satan himself. Some think Trump is worse.
Just a matter of what side of the aisle one aligns with the most.

Obama got a fair shake. It was only after he was in office for some time that everyone saw him for what he was.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Beto married into money. His wife is sole heiress to $300-400 million IIRC.

Then why doesn't that big ugly slug just sail off into the Mexican sunset or give his millions away to the poor immigrants. He's not gonna win any kind of popularity contest here in America. He dumb.

 

[0nelilreb]

Time to watch a real candidate you snowflakes.

I don’t know what people are thinking when they put down the number of people Trump can draw to a rally and dismiss them . This isn’t a small crowd and it’s in Cincinnati Ohio . Not Georgia or Tennessee or Mississippi .

 

[zeppelin128]

I don’t know what people are thinking when they put down the number of people Trump can draw to a rally and dismiss them . This isn’t a small crowd and it’s in Cincinnati Ohio . Not Georgia or Tennessee or Mississippi .

I think people do the direct opposite. No one questions his ability to draw out his Red Hats. I definitely don't dismiss them, his base is solid. If they haven't abandoned him yet, they aren't going to by 2020.
That's why I've said the Democrats best chance is turning out their base. There aren't many left in the independent category to pull from to make up the difference.
Trump's base is going to show up no matter what. Question is whether a moderate Democratic nominee can get progressives to the polls en mass. Or centrist Dems, if the nominee is a progressive candidate.

 

[Orangeburst]

I think the past couple of nights solidified Biden as the front-runner.

However, he doesn't seem to have the stamina to stand up to Trump.

The primary process is brutal and Biden already seems lethargic. I guess the challenger does have more time to campaign, but the POTUS gets to hobnob around on AF-1 in a cough..cough "official" capacity.

 

[zeppelin128]

Obama got a fair shake. It was only after he was in office for some time that everyone saw him for what he was.

This is just not true.

 

[0nelilreb]

I think people do the direct opposite. No one questions his ability to draw out his Red Hats. I definitely don't dismiss them, his base is solid. If they haven't abandoned him yet, they aren't going to by 2020.
That's why I've said the Democrats best chance is turning out their base. There aren't many left in the independent category to pull from to make up the difference.
Trump's base is going to show up no matter what. Question is whether a moderate Democratic nominee can get progressives to the polls en mass. Or centrist Dems, if the nominee is a progressive candidate.

The problem I see is standing on the national stage telling everyone that we are going to raise your taxes , give healthcare to illegal immigrants and kill fossil fuels . I don’t how much you know about unions but you can’t do those things and then ask for the union vote .

 

[Orangeburst]

The problem I see is standing on the national stage telling everyone that we are going to raise your taxes , give healthcare to illegal immigrants and kill fossil fuels . I don’t how much you know about unions but you can’t do those things and then ask for the union vote .

Did Trumka endorse Trump last time?

 

[RavinDave]

Then why doesn't that big ugly slug just sail off into the Mexican sunset or give his millions away to the poor immigrants. He's not gonna win any kind of popularity contest here in America. He dumb.

Yeah his next career move is most likely “professional son-in-law”.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I think people do the direct opposite. No one questions his ability to draw out his Red Hats. I definitely don't dismiss them, his base is solid. If they haven't abandoned him yet, they aren't going to by 2020.
That's why I've said the Democrats best chance is turning out their base. There aren't many left in the independent category to pull from to make up the difference.
Trump's base is going to show up no matter what. Question is whether a moderate Democratic nominee can get progressives to the polls en mass. Or centrist Dems, if the nominee is a progressive candidate.

The leftists are alienating their base. Lol

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

This is just not true.

Ygtbfk

 

[hog88]

This is just not true.

Obama was the least vetted POTUS since over the air media came to be. The press was absolutely afraid (or was working in conjunction) to look into his background or ask him tough questions.

 

[0nelilreb]

Did Trumka endorse Trump last time?

I don’t know without looking it up . I do know the upper management of unions will and has always voted for Dems believing they were for the working man . That was before the climate change agendas . You know have all candidates in the Dem party openly saying they will kills fossil fuel jobs .

 

[zeppelin128]

The problem I see is standing on the national stage telling everyone that we are going to raise your taxes , give healthcare to illegal immigrants and kill fossil fuels . I don’t how much you know about unions but you can’t do those things and then ask for the union vote .

The only plans I've heard about raising taxes on the middle class (which would include union workers) is if those taxes resulted in single payer healthcare (the Bern). I think providing health care to undocumented workers comes down to personal opinion; I don't think union voters are a monolithic block. Some will support it, others won't.
You have a point on fossil fuels though. They have to go at some point, but it can't be sudden. Phase them out gradually over time while providing training/education for people that will lose their jobs. We have to move on from fossil fuels at some point, frankly we should be leading the way on it to corner the market. But we can't do it overnight, or a whole bunch of folks will be out of good-paying work.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I think the past couple of nights solidified Biden as the front-runner.

However, he doesn't seem to have the stamina to stand up to Trump.

IMO when Biden gets attacked in the debates it's no different than attacking Obamas policies.

 

[Orangeburst]

I don’t know without looking it up . I do know the upper management of unions will and has always voted for Dems believing they were for the working man . That was before the climate change agendas . You know have all candidates in the Dem party openly saying they will kills fossil fuel jobs .

I remember him saying some positive things about Trump, but actual endorsement probably not as you mentioned. I wonder if miners are part of AFL-CIO. Some labor unions, sans SEIU, in my recollection did not seem to say much last cycle, so it was probably vote as you please. The radicals seem to of moved on from some labor orgs.

Trump just gave out a salute to the great state of Tennessee!

 

[C-south]

This is just not true.

It is absolutely true. No protests. None of his supporters attacked. He got more than a fair shake. He gradually exposed himself and that’s when people recognized him for what he was.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

The " immigrants built America sign" has left the building. Lol

 

[zeppelin128]

The leftists are alienating their base. Lol

Both parties have been shifting away from the center for years now. One thing I give Republicans credit for is that they fall in line when it comes time to vote in national elections. Dems have a tendency to eat their own.

 

[Orangeburst]

Both parties have been shifting away from the center for years now. One thing I give Republicans credit for is that they fall in line when it comes time to vote in national elections. Dems have a tendency to eat their own.

You must be new at this.

 

[zeppelin128]

The " immigrants built America sign" has left the building. Lol

I'm going to regret watching this lol.

"Lock her up" chants and "crooked Hillary." Good grief.

 

[zeppelin128]

Obama was the least vetted POTUS since over the air media came to be. The press was absolutely afraid (or was working in conjunction) to look into his background or ask him tough questions.

There were plenty of things Obama took a lot of flak for (Jeremiah Wright, for instance).

 

[TN-POSSUM]

I'm going to regret watching this lol.

"Lock her up" chants and "crooked Hillary." Good grief.

I've watched the dems for 2 nights, surely you can watch our president for an hour.

 

[0nelilreb]

I remember him saying some positive things about Trump, but actual endorsement probably not as you mentioned. I wonder if miners are part of AFL-CIO. Some labor unions in my recollection did not seem to say much last cycle, so it was probably vote as you please. The radicals seem to of moved on from some labor orgs.

Trump just gave out a salute to the great state of Tennessee!

It’s been a few years since I was involved heavily with unions but I think most “ affiliate “ with AFL-CIO as kind of a standard . I know ours did and the ones I was familiar with did . As far as being a voting block they pretty much follow the standard quo as long as you don’t give the locals reason to question why they should vote for you . Saying you are going to kill their jobs will cause a lot of local union officials headaches trying to explain why they should cast their votes for that party .