2020 Presidential Race

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luthervol said:
Trump is the worst ever. IMO
Trump is not the norm and should never be accepted as the norm. IMO
Segregation was divisive.
Integration was divisive.
Some roots of divisiveness are more justifiable then others.
Trump's means of intentional divisiveness are deplorable. IMO
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37L1 said:
You do know that bill had to pass the House first before it got to the Senate, right?

H.R. 3877: Bipartisan Budget Act of 2019


Senate Votes For: 29 Republicans 37 Democrats

Senate Votes Against: 23 Republicans 5 Democrats

House Votes For: 65 Republicans 219 Democrats

House Votes Against: 132 Republicans 16 Democrats

Out of the entire Congress only 21 Democrats voted against this spending bill. 155 Republicans voted against it.

You were saying?
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1) Democrats have never carried on the charade of being fiscally conservative.

2) The Trump Administration negotiated this bill with Pelosi and House Democrats and Trump has been lobbying hard for a majority of Republican support for the bill in the Senate .... and he got it. Make no mistake, this legislation is Trump's baby.

3) To say that the Republican Party's past criticism of Obama's discretionary spending looks hypocritical now, would be a massive understatement.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I don't think Dems are as divisive as Trump. Just opinion, as you said.

I think Dems have accepted he won. At the least they have acknowledged if there were shenanigans, he got away with it. Dems are not out of touch with America; otherwise they wouldn't have won a majority in the House in 2018.

With Trump, the "spend, spend, spend" narrative doesn't work. He seems fine with spending with no real answer about where the money will come from. The Tea Party is dead, remember.

There are good candidates out there, much better than Trump. I know you disagree, but there are options beyond Trump.
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LOL, you can't be serious. There are members on this board that has not accepted Trump won.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Free health care, free tuition, living wages.........

Wait a decade, see the results. There is not a single person who advocates this who can sit down and do the dollars or outline the exponential fall out.

I say have at it.
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Can I get this free health care, along with a free house and a free truck while they are handing out freebies?

Here's my resume

Worked for 50 years, same job for 34 years. Probably missed 12 days total in those time frames.
Married to the same woman for 43 years
Two grown sons with two beautiful daughter n laws. All four have my same work ethic.
All legal US Citizens, registered voters .We are all whiteys, will we qualify .
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
1) Democrats have never carried on the charade of being fiscally conservative.

2) The Trump Administration negotiated this bill with Pelosi and House Democrats and Trump has been lobbying hard for a majority of Republican support for the bill in the Senate .... and he got it. Make no mistake, this legislation is Trump's baby.

3) To say that the Republican Party's past criticism of Obama's discretionary spending looks hypocritical now, would be a massive understatement.
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So Trump and the Democrats worked together to pass this Bill?

How nice!
 
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37L1 said:
So Trump and the Democrats worked together to pass this Bill?

How nice!
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It is extremely irresponsible... and Trump is going to sign it. Trump had pledged to eliminate the debt in 8 years. I guess you can file that crap right next to curing childhood cancer.
 
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Zues1 said:
Can I get this free health care, along with a free house and a free truck while they are handing out freebies?

Here's my resume

Worked for 50 years, same job for 34 years. Probably missed 12 days total in those time frames.
Married to the same woman for 43 years
Two grown sons with two beautiful daughter n laws. All four have my same work ethic.
All legal US Citizens, registered voters .We are all whiteys, will we qualify .
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luthervol said:
I think the economy would be stronger under some of their proposals. (Health care, some level of student debt forgiveness)
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Medicare for all would make the .gov a lot more powerful and intrusive but could have a devastating effect on health care. Student debt I don't have time to write a thesis on right now. But what is most concerning is the unicorn type thinking e.g. "get off fossil fuels in 10 years"... do you think that is even possible without regressing to a pre-industrial economy?
 
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37L1 said:
You do know that bill had to pass the House first before it got to the Senate, right?

H.R. 3877: Bipartisan Budget Act of 2019


Senate Votes For: 29 Republicans 37 Democrats

Senate Votes Against: 23 Republicans 5 Democrats

House Votes For: 65 Republicans 219 Democrats

House Votes Against: 132 Republicans 16 Democrats

Out of the entire Congress only 21 Democrats voted against this spending bill. 155 Republicans voted against it.

You were saying?
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Nice work 37, unfortunately they don't and won't care. Probably use it as a way to cry about something I'm sure
 
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luthervol said:
I think the economy would be stronger under some of their proposals. (Health care, some level of student debt forgiveness)
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Completely and utterly absurd. May as well wipe all debt for everyone for every bill they owe. Maybe the gov shouldn’t give student loans for just any type of degree.....for a start.
 
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[QUOTE="C-south, post: 16980107, member: 75213". May as well wipe all debt for everyone for every bill they owe.[/QUOTE]

Shhhh.
 
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luthervol said:
I think the economy would be stronger under some of their proposals. (Health care, some level of student debt forgiveness)
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Why should student loans be forgiven? Seriously. What about those of us that played by the rules and repaid our loans, and now under this insanity will have to pay for deadbeats with gender studies degrees? Decisions, like elections, have consequences. You want to study stupid **** and pay a lot to do it, you get to deal with the fallout. I.don't.care. if you are in debt for the rest of your life. Pay your ****ing bills.

One of the British conservatives had a proposal to forgive student loans if the borrower started a business and employed 10 people for 5 years. I can get behind something like that, but this wholesale forgiveness of undertaken debts is just stupid.
 
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RavinDave said:
Medicare for all would make the .gov a lot more powerful and intrusive but could have a devastating effect on health care. Student debt I don't have time to write a thesis on right now. But what is most concerning is the unicorn type thinking e.g. "get off fossil fuels in 10 years"... do you think that is even possible without regressing to a pre-industrial economy?
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Having a $10,500 per capita health care cost is already having a devastating effect on the country and it's only getting worse.
Of course we can't get off fossil fuels in 10 years, but we should do more to move in that direction.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Why should student loans be forgiven? Seriously. What about those of us that played by the rules and repaid our loans, and now under this insanity will have to pay for deadbeats with gender studies degrees? Decisions, like elections, have consequences. You want to study stupid **** and pay a lot to do it, you get to deal with the fallout. I.don't.care. if you are in debt for the rest of your life. Pay your ****ing bills.

One of the British conservatives had a proposal to forgive student loans if the borrower started a business and employed 10 people for 5 years. I can get behind something like that, but this wholesale forgiveness of undertaken debts is just stupid.
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I find it to be self serving corruption. Liberals control higher education. Liberals in control of higher education increase costs far greater than the pace of inflation. Liberal politicians promote free (taxpayer funded) education. Liberal politicians promote loan forgiveness for those in debt because of liberal institutions.

Ever notice how politicians say health care MUST reduce prices to make it affordable? Never ever do they utter a serious word about price controls for colleges. Isn't forgiveness of medical care loans just as worthy as forgiveness of education loans? And if it is, wouldn't the solution to fix medical expense be just as valid to fix education expense?

Truth is neither is a good idea. But liberals will never be in favor of preventing other liberals from charging exorbitantly. The money and power is too seductive.
 
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I like getting a thousand a month. Would it be for everyone who is over 18? Yang for President.
 
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luthervol said:
Having a $10,500 per capita health care cost is already having a devastating effect on the country and it's only getting worse.
Of course we can't get off fossil fuels in 10 years, but we should do more to move in that direction.
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Having single payer or Medicare for all would save what percentage of this $3 trillion IYO?
 
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