2020 Presidential Race

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
You're delusional. Blexit is a real thing that wasn't even around at the 2016 election.
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Trump getting 10% of the black vote would indeed be a miracle. It would also be a game changer in the election.

If, in addition, he can peel off a few percent more of the Hispanic vote versus 16, it will make the path to victory for the Democrats much more difficult.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
The Mid-terms were fuelled by the Mueller hoax.
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The perception of the 18 midterms has been recast by the Democrats and the media.

The Democrats underperformed versus historic norms and their own expectations. Election night was a big disappointment for the Democrats.

Remember that when you hear a mindless pundit repeater tell you otherwise.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s only racism if it fits their agenda
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Absolutely right. Otherwise, they would have run Racist Joe out of the race by now.

And Hillary would have been skewered for both her hot sauce moment and when she mimicked black dialect while pandering for the votes.

We’d still be talking about all three of those moments regularly would a conservative said and done those things.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How the hell does that have a damn thing to do with symbolism? The Republican Party has a narrow range of appeal. That is a tangible and quantifiable reality in the voting booth.
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I know for Trump, but I think also for Romney the amount of minorities voting for the Rs is going up. I think both shear numbers and percentage. It's still low, but where the Dems have been gaining and the Rs losing is the white vote.
 
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LouderVol said:
I know for Trump, but I think also for Romney the amount of minorities voting for the Rs is going up. I think both shear numbers and percentage. It's still low, but where the Dems have been gaining and the Rs losing is the white vote.
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I guess that depends on relative to what? In 2012, Romney got 6% of the black vote and Obama got 93%... so, Trump did improve on that - by 2% points. However, Trump wasn't running against a black candidate either. I'm sorry to keep saying this, but there is just no statistical proof of what you guys are trying to say. There is no evidence that Republicans are gaining support among black voters. Sorry.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I guess that depends on relative to what? In 2012, Romney got 6% of the black vote and Obama got 93%... so, Trump did improve on that - by 2% points. However, Trump wasn't running against a black candidate either. I'm sorry to keep saying this, but there is just no statistical proof of what you guys are trying to say. There is no evidence that Republicans are gaining support among black voters. Sorry.
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Funny that Obama's skin color mattered.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Biden is a union man. He will do just fine with working class voters. And how Trump did in 2016 is relevant... the point is that the Democratic nominee just needs to win every state Clinton won and find about 100,000 votes across three states she lost. There is no miracle needed here.
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What does he offer unions?
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
BB85 doesn't care about the stats. He knows for sure blacks (98%) will vote Democratic no matter what.
They could all be rich as hell and eat steak every night bc of Trump but they will still vote Democratic anyway.
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I never said 98%. It's more like 91%. And giving Trump sole credit for the low unemployment numbers is just absurd (that is not to say that his policies haven't helped the economy at all - the tax cuts and some of the deregulation have helped). When Barack Obama took office in January of 2009, the unemployment rate was at 7.8%. When Trump took office in January of 2017, the unemployment rate was at 4.7%. It is now at 3.7%. So, you can clearly see that the unemployment rate had been trending downward when Trump took office. Job growth had been trending upward... Trump didn't change the trajectory of anything. Suggesting that the low unemployment numbers among blacks is a sign that Trump isn't a racist is wrong on so many levels that it's comical.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I guess that depends on relative to what? In 2012, Romney got 6% of the black vote and Obama got 93%... so, Trump did improve on that - by 2% points. However, Trump wasn't running against a black candidate either. I'm sorry to keep saying this, but there is just no statistical proof of what you guys are trying to say. There is no evidence that Republicans are gaining support among black voters. Sorry.
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So you are saying black people are so racist that without a black candidate to vote for they stay at home?
 
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hog88 said:
So you are saying black people are so racist that without a black candidate to vote for they stay at home?
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Where does it say that in the post you replied to? I never said that black voters had to vote for a black candidate. I said that they are more likely to stay at home, if there is not a Democratic candidate that they feel they can get behind. Hillary Clinton didn't turn out the black vote in Philadelphia as she needed to in order to win the state... but that doesn't mean those people voted for Trump. They simply didn't vote at all.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Where does it say that in the post you replied to? I never said that black voters had to vote for a black candidate. I said that they are more likely to stay at home, if there is not a Democratic candidate that they feel they can get behind. Hillary Clinton didn't turn out the black vote in Philadelphia as she needed to in order to win the state... but that doesn't mean those people voted for Trump. They simply didn't vote at all.
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Dude you need to examine yourself. You are one of the most racist people on this board.
 
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hog88 said:
Dude you need to examine yourself. You are one of the most racist people on this board.
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I deal in facts that you don't want to read because you are holding on to the misconception that because unemployment numbers among blacks are low that they will be voting in large numbers for Trump in 2020... and there is no evidence of that. All of the recent trends show that black voters are as much in the corner of Democratic Party candidates as they have ever been.

To accuse someone of racism for citing inconvenient facts on an anonymous message board forum is beyond simply being judgmental. It doesn't bother me because it is so lazy and ignorant.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Trump getting 10% of the black vote would indeed be a miracle. It would also be a game changer in the election.

If, in addition, he can peel off a few percent more of the Hispanic vote versus 16, it will make the path to victory for the Democrats much more difficult.
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hog88, is DC_Vol a racist too? He basically just agreed with my main focus.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I deal in facts that you don't want to read because you are holding on to the misconception that because unemployment numbers among blacks are low that they will be voting in large numbers for Trump in 2020... and there is no evidence of that. All of the recent trends show that black voters are as much in the corner of Democratic Party candidates as they have ever been.

To accuse someone of racism for citing inconvenient facts on an anonymous message board forum is beyond simply being judgmental. It doesn't bother me because it is so lazy and ignorant.
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The facts are:

The democrats have done absolutely nothing for the black communities in this country.
The democrats have use fear and social programs to keep the black community dependent on them.
The democrats ignore the black community every day except during elections.
The democrats think they own the black voters to the point that they can come on message boards and positively say that 90% of them will vote for whoever the white dems nominate.
 
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DC_Vol said:
The perception of the 18 midterms has been recast by the Democrats and the media.

The Democrats underperformed versus historic norms and their own expectations. Election night was a big disappointment for the Democrats.

Remember that when you hear a mindless pundit repeater tell you otherwise.
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I'm not sure where you are getting this (so, you go back on my bad list!). Democrats picked up 40 seats in the House of Representatives in the 2018 mid-term elections. That is the most seats in the House that they have picked up in a mid-term year since 1974 (the Watergate year). Most projections which I saw had Democrats picking up anywhere between 35-45 seats (they achieved right in the middle). That is hardly a "big disappointment". Democrats also picked up 7 governorships (including wins in Wisconsin, Michigan and Kansas - which are states that Trump won in 2016). Democrats did lose 2 seats in the Senate but that was with a very unfavorable map. Most of the competitive contests were held in states that Trump had won in 2016 - one went their way (Arizona and Sinema over McSalley) and some didn't (such as in Georgia and Florida).

It is either ignorant or dishonest to portray the 2018 mid-terms as a "big disappointment" for Democrats. That narrative is an attempt to try and cast it as some sort of success for Republicans - it wasn't.
 
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