2020 Presidential Race

[BowlBrother85]

He simply isn't radical enough to appease the rabid Democrat base.

It's a pragmatic choice, not an ideological one. Defeating Trump is all that matters.

 

[Orangeburst]

It's a pragmatic choice, not an ideological one. Defeating Trump is all that matters.

Lack of enthusiasm with Indies is gonna hurt your turnout.

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Zogby: ‘Poor performances’ of Democrats boost Trump’s approval to 51%, up with blacks and Hispanics

 

[Orangeburst]

Zogby: ‘Poor performances’ of Democrats boost Trump’s approval to 51%, up with blacks and Hispanics

Finally a decent methodology with 36/36/28%. I am telling you guys and gals, always look at methodology when citing poles. That last Fox pole was bunk.

https://zogbyanalytics.com/images/za081519/ZA-Interactive-Methodology-Voters-081319.pdf

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Here's another method. Lol

 

[Weezer]

Defeating Trump is all that matters.

It shouldn't be. We're talking about the office of the Presidency. It should be about far more than replacing one asshat with an asshat that shares your political ideology.

 

[Orangeburst]

Here's another method. Lol

The day Obama walked away was a helluva contribution to America.

 

[hjeagle1vol]

 

[volfanhill]

It shouldn't be. We're talking about the office of the Presidency. It should be about far more than replacing one asshat with an asshat that shares your political ideology.

I think they are trying an interesting strategy. Run hard left to motivate the left base. Don’t run back to the center during the general. Just run as not Trump to motivate the middle/undecided. You will laugh and say bad strategy but I don’t think I have ever seen a level of hate for a president that exists like this.

 

[volfanhill]

Lack of enthusiasm with Indies is gonna hurt your turnout.

You are under estimating trump hate IMO.

 

[volfanhill]

Finally a decent methodology with 36/36/24%. I am telling you guys and gals, always look at methodology when citing poles. That last Fox pole was bunk.

https://zogbyanalytics.com/images/za081519/ZA-Interactive-Methodology-Voters-081319.pdf

Trump was smart last time around. He, and his handlers, saw a path to victory when reviewing their own polling data. This time, which was a bit ago, Trump had a temper tantrum when his internal polling got leaked.

 

[0nelilreb]

You are under estimating trump hate IMO.

Are we over estimating Trump hate as well ?

 

[volfanhill]

Are we over estimating Trump hate as well ?

Could be. But I am telling you I have hundreds of young folks who work for me. They talk about Trump all the time. They are going to turn out.

 

[Weezer]

I think they are trying an interesting strategy. Run hard left to motivate the left base. Don’t run back to the center during the general. Just run as not Trump to motivate the middle/undecided. You will laugh and say bad strategy but I don’t think I have ever seen a level of hate for a president that exists like this.

I think that strategy works fine with their base. It doesn't play near as well with independents. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe it isn't the independent vote that will decide this election, but if it is, the left needs to give a better reason than "but Trump". They need a real platform that Americans can buy into. They don't currently have that, and without it, it's hard for me to see them winning.

 

[volfanhill]

I think that strategy works fine with their base. It doesn't play near as well with independents. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe it isn't the independent vote that will decide this election, but if it is, the left needs to give a better reason than "but Trump". They need a real platform that Americans can buy into. They don't currently have that, and without it, it's hard for me to see them winning.

In any normal election I would agree. I am just saying that most “independents” know the extreme **** won’t get passed anyway. I openly admit I have predicted the down fall of trump and been wrong. I just think his supporters have a huge blind spot this go around. And that’s millennials. They will have a record turn out IMO. And they are not voting trump.

 

[Weezer]

In any normal election I would agree. I am just saying that most “independents” know the extreme **** won’t get passed anyway. I openly admit I have predicted the down fall of trump and been wrong. I just think his supporters have a huge blind spot this go around. And that’s millennials. They will have a record turn out IMO. And they are not voting trump.

Maybe. I just don't see anyone the left is currently offering as better than Trump. And that's not a defense of Trump, that's an indictment on who is seeking the Dem nomination. They're all horrible choices, including Trump. But that's JMO. But we'll see what the people decide.

I will say this, fanatics like Luther like to think this is some kind of battle of morals. It's not. Morals were thrown out the window a long time ago. This is purely politics, and neither side owns a high road. It's all about power.

 

[Orangeburst]

In any normal election I would agree. I am just saying that most “independents” know the extreme **** won’t get passed anyway. I openly admit I have predicted the down fall of trump and been wrong. I just think his supporters have a huge blind spot this go around. And that’s millennials. They will have a record turn out IMO. And they are not voting trump.

Show me a trend of poll of Indies only and we will have a better understanding if Trump will be reelected. Everyone can sub divide it further into black vote, women vote, generational vote, or whatever, but these just further clutter the results. It is always about the Indies and their turnout.

 

[luthervol]

It shouldn't be. We're talking about the office of the Presidency. It should be about far more than replacing one asshat with an asshat that shares your political ideology.

I'm hoping to replace a gigantic asshat, the biggest of all time, with a much smaller and normal sized asshat - of either party, but preferably mine.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Zogby: ‘Poor performances’ of Democrats boost Trump’s approval to 51%, up with blacks and Hispanics

It's beginning....

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm hoping to replace a gigantic asshat, the biggest of all time, with a much smaller and normal sized asshat - of either party, but preferably mine.

Hope and change? That didn't work with your last asshat... it won't work with your next one either.

 

[BreatheUT]

Is Bernie Sanders Hunchback?

https://i.imgur.com/jIRloLb_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You are under estimating trump hate IMO.

Hopefully Mr Trump is not, and he will get out and campaign.

 

[BowlBrother85]

It shouldn't be. We're talking about the office of the Presidency. It should be about far more than replacing one asshat with an asshat that shares your political ideology.

I disagree that Biden is an asshat.

 

[Orangeburst]

I disagree that Biden is an asshat.

In DC for 43 years...freakin 43 years, and now all the sudden he says he can solve all our problems. He is the problem, so that makes him the biggest hypocritical type of azzhat.