2022 U.S. Senate Races

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BowlBrother85 said:
She knows what the polls say and what they have always said. Her opposition to Donald Trump's conduct, is a deeply unpopular position to run from. I'm sure she realized that her ambitions of running for President were better served by retaining her House seat, and not adopting such an unpopular approach. It doesn't make any sense to assign a self-serving political agenda to this position. She is not a political neophyte, and she knows the lay of the political landscape in Wyoming, and throughout the Republican Party.

It is odd that you find it beyond comprehension, that her stance against Trump, is merely one of principled opposition. There always has to be a self-serving agenda at work, whenever a Republican (FINALLY!) stands up to Trump.
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True believer
 
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volfanhill said:
And I fully believe they had the political connections to know how it would turn out
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Did it even require political connections? The polls have been very consistent among likely Republican Party voters, and this is a tribal political age that we are in.
 
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hog88 said:
I fully believe that they thought the Cheney name would be enough to carry her in WY.
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You seem to have a need to believe that principled opposition to Donald Trump, from within the ranks of the Republican Party, does not exist.

The most logical conclusion to draw = Liz Cheney was well aware that joining the January 6th Commission would cost her a seat in the House of Representatives, but she was willing to make that sacrifice.
 
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In a weird way, I think Hog and BowlBrother are both right. I do believe she felt her name would carry her through to re-election in the beginning and so she took the jan 6 position on her principles. It was a tremendously bad miscalculation but by the time she realized it, the damage was done and her principles were the only thing left to fight for.

As far as announcing a 2024 run, she is a politician. She sees her 15 minutes are about to be up so she is trying to prolong it. Keep her name in people's ear just a little bit longer. She knows an unelected politician is a forgotten politician.
 
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jcvols24 said:
In a weird way, I think Hog and BowlBrother are both right. I do believe she felt her name would carry her through to re-election in the beginning and so she took the jan 6 position on her principles. It was a tremendously bad miscalculation but by the time she realized it, the damage was done and her principles were the only thing left to fight for.

As far as announcing a 2024 run, she is a politician. She sees her 15 minutes are about to be up so she is trying to prolong it. Keep her name in people's ear just a little bit longer. She knows an unelected politician is a forgotten politician.
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There is no way that she could have believed this, if she was in touch with Wyoming's polling data ... and, of course, she was. No elected official is oblivious to the polls.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is no way that she could have believed this, if she was in touch with Wyoming's polling data ... and, of course, she was. No elected official is oblivious to the polls.
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You're assuming she is smart enough to realize how she feels about her self worth and how voters feel about it are two separate things. She most likely went in thinking by election time, they'd have swayed the public on Trump and she could just push past whatever opposition remained. She got blinded by rage at Trump and his comments about her father.
 
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jcvols24 said:
You're assuming she is smart enough to realize how she feels about her self worth and how voters feel about it are two separate things. She most likely went in thinking by election time, they'd have swayed the public on Trump and she could just push past whatever opposition remained. She got blinded by rage at Trump and his comments about her father.
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Stand back ... we have a mind reader among us. LOL.

The most plausible theory, is that like most politicians, she was well aware of what the polling data said, and she did weigh being voted out of office as a probable consequence of her decision to join the January 6th Commission and take a public stand against Donald Trump's conduct. It was a sacrifice that she was willing to make.

I do not like her, or how she has voted as a member of the House of Representatives, but she is to be commended for taking a principled stand and demonstrating some courage of conviction.

There is a strange need in this forum, for some of you to cast her motives as being driven by a self-serving political calculation, when such a belief doesn't make any logical sense at all.

You desperately don't want to concede that it's possible for there to be principled opposition to Donald Trump from within the Republican Party.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
And BB will never unbelieve either.
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This notion that Liz Cheney joined the January 6th Commission and began attacking Donald Trump's conduct because she thought it would help her political career doesn't make any sense. You are damn right that I'm not going to believe something which is that illogical and unreasonable. Whenever a Republican is critical of Trump, the default response from Republicans / Conservatives / Trump supporters in this forum is to cast their motives as either being vindictive or self-serving.

If Liz Cheney was only interested in being politically expedient, she would have followed House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy's lead after 1/6 and flown down to Mar-a-Lago and kissed Trump's a$$.

Unlike McCarthy, however, Liz Cheney has some self-respect ... and she isn't willing to say or do anything to get elected and further her political ambitions.

 
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hog88 said:
Luther you are nothing but a leach completely dependent on a host for survival. If you had to make a living outside of being a government employee you would starve.
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As almost always, you are once again clueless.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You seem to have a need to believe that principled opposition to Donald Trump, from within the ranks of the Republican Party, does not exist.

The most logical conclusion to draw = Liz Cheney was well aware that joining the January 6th Commission would cost her a seat in the House of Representatives, but she was willing to make that sacrifice.
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The Cheney’s are not principled. Holy crap 4 years ago she was the devil to you guys.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
True believer = One who draws reasonable conclusions, that were formed from logically sound reasoning.
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You are a full blown true believer.

I have found many/most progressives, liberals, and democrats, as evidenced on this board, are inflexible individuals that use emotion rather than sound judgment based on a set of facts derived from real world experiences. They are typically ideologues who have twisted some of the realities of the world. They have not evolved through natural maturation but are ones who have continued to cultivate beliefs from their adolescent years; hence, they are stuck in adolescent thinking which contributes to some delusion.

They tend to believe there are a set of decision makers among man that are greater and more noble than the rest who genuinely have the best interest of mankind at heart. In this sense they should have the power of God. Ideas like freedom become more opaque as they become more fervent with age in these beliefs. Big government headed by unelected bureaucrats should be given a mandate to turn society upside down on their own. There is no connection in their reasoning skills to the coincidence of size of government to the power and control they demand over the masses to their favor.

To close, you fit this description. You even deserved some of the Butchisms I put in there as evidence of where I think you are on the pragmatic scale.
 
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PENNSYLVANIA: An Emerson College poll (Aug. 22-23; 1,034 LVs; +/-3%) found Lt. Gov. John Fetterman (D) leading celebrity Dr. Mehmet Oz (R), 48%-44%.
 
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hog88 said:
The Cheney’s are not principled. Holy crap 4 years ago she was the devil to you guys.
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I don't like the way she has voted as a member of the House of Representatives, and I have explained that in this thread, but she did stand firm in her opposition to the way Donald Trump handled losing the 2020 Presidential Election ... which came at great consequence to her political career. That is unusual to see these days. Most elected officials put their careers first.

The argument that her opposition to Trump was motivated by self-centered political ambition doesn't make any sense. She alienated her base of support, and unless she completely ignores polling data (which is unlikely!), she had to know that would end up being the case.
 
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luthervol said:
Because she clearly sees the devastating destruction of Trumpism and is desperately hoping she can turn the tide of stupidity in the republican party.
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If only Democrats could clearly see the devastating destruction of socialism.
 
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luthervol said:
Dems just want the proper balance.
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So you want this caste system..
Post back again when your power player 1%ers pay off.
Fact is..you are being manipulated as they have a say in what anyone can gain. Pure manipulation of capitalism. And any government policy is a loss of freedom.
But hey you think a bureaucracy should have power..that is anti American and even what one can clearly see as authortiarnism. Frankly anti American
 
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Sandman 423 said:
She screwed herself because she became all about one issue. If she wanted to stay in office she would have handled the 1/6 commission differently.
All she had to do is say that she was serving to make sure that it was non partisan and fair. Defend that position and talk about what mattered to her constituents during the primary and she wins easily. However, she saw an opportunity to run for president by being the anti-Trump candidate and she took it. Unfortunately for her (and I'm sure it was focus grouped) She chose to get into a pissing match with Trump and his supporters, and it cost her.
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This is absurd. "Be on the committee and keep your mouth shut". There is a reason some in your party are bucking, and it is because of this kind of blind bend the knee loyalty to Mango Mussolini. And as much as I dislike her, she isn't an idiot. She knows she would never win a presidential primary.
 
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