2023 NCAA Post Season (HOSTING) Discussion Thread - Merged

Will the Vols make it to NCAA Tournament in 2023

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#581
#581
[QUOTE="TN_gal, post: 22744802, member: 20508" "They seem to become easily frustrated and lack competitiveness when adversity hits."

A good example of this is the last time Dolander got pulled from a game his body language was horrible and it was obvious that he was more than just reluctant to give up the ball. It conveyed a vibe of "you're making a mistake" or "I completely disagree, but won't have a fit about it" Either way, it sent a message to his teammates that he felt the coach was making a big mistake because when Dol gets pulled from a game and he feel ready to come out, he doesn't resist at all and he's confident that he doesn't have anything left in the tank."

As a consequence of that, the TEAM seemed to behave in a frustrated way and we seemed to lack competitiveness and then there were errors made on defense and we pretty much lost our edge in half an inning and it never returned. We made more errors. Bats were silent. I believe the team vibe was that of a team that knew they had to re-fire themselves up, while playing a good team and deal with a home plate up that may or may not have made some iffy calls.

If I were the coach I'd instruct and demand of my team a neutral vibe while batting and that includes on their way back to the dugout AND for the next one minute. I'd demand that as a coach because no player has ever changed an umps mind, nor does conveying a message even through body language that a batter disagrees with the call. That's the coach's job, not the player.

I believe AFTER a batter leaves the box early and then over acts as if in shock - that he can't believe the strike called against him was actually a ball. To be clear, a player chucks the bat or starts jogging towards first when in fact, that's not what the has YET to make the call on. To me, that's INSANELY disrespect to the umpire and that can ONLY work against the team that treats the home plate umpire. Players should leave that to the coach to deal with instead of acting SHOCKED by what balls/strikes being called are inaccurate. That is actually a huge insult the way some of our hitter react and it puts the rest of the team at odds with the home plate umpire.

So.... imagine that's the case, it put the next batter at odds with the ump. THAT'S how a lack of competitiveness emerges. As a competitor that played two team sports in high school and one in college, I've very careful to be incredibly respectful and at worst neutral about any call a referee makes against me. I don't argue or resist in anyway because it's the best thing for my team because "NO player has ever won a battle of wills against a referee or umpire." and that any other response puts my team at a disadvantage.

It SEEMS like the small-ball baseball teams understand this because they rely on judgment calls more so than other teams if they want to get walked.

FYI because there isn't a ball game, I feel like now is the perfect time to discuss, at length, "the few things we could be doing better" coaches talk about. How players react to umpires is definitely one of them and I believe a very important issue that isn't talked about.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I hate to say it, but Tony’s got to stop playing 16 Q4 games. UK and Auburn host because they played 10 less Q4 games, and their SOS were strong OOC.
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Vitello should take a page out of Barnes's play book and schedule the toughest out of conference schools that he can get every year even if that means going on the road.
 
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WillisWG said:
The 16 regional sites, with host institutions and records are as follows:

Auburn, Alabama – Auburn (34-21-1)
Baton Rouge, Louisiana – LSU (43-15)
Charlottesville, Virginia – Virginia (45-12)
Clemson, South Carolina – Clemson (43-17)
Columbia, South Carolina – South Carolina (39-19)
Conway, South Carolina – Coastal Carolina (39-19)
Coral Gables, Florida – Miami (FL) (40-19)
Fayetteville, Arkansas – Arkansas (41-16)
Gainesville, Florida – Florida (44-14)
Lexington, Kentucky – Kentucky (36-18)
Nashville, Tennessee – Vanderbilt (41-18)
Stanford, California – Stanford (38-16)
Stillwater, Oklahoma – Oklahoma State (41-17) through games of 5/28
Terre Haute, Indiana – Indiana State (42-15)
Tuscaloosa, Alabama – Alabama (40-19)
Winston-Salem, North Carolina – Wake Forest (47-10)

https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/...ed-2023-ncaa-division-i-baseball-championship
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Vols could go to Winston Salem and Vitello and Currie could do some catch up conversations with each other.
 
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#593
#593
I really don't understand how they decide who gets to host. The magical formula makes no sense.
 
#597
#597
Drewbydoo said:
[QUOTE="TN_gal, post: 22744802, member: 20508" "They seem to become easily frustrated and lack competitiveness when adversity hits."

A good example of this is the last time Dolander got pulled from a game his body language was horrible and it was obvious that he was more than just reluctant to give up the ball. It conveyed a vibe of "you're making a mistake" or "I completely disagree, but won't have a fit about it" Either way, it sent a message to his teammates that he felt the coach was making a big mistake because when Dol gets pulled from a game and he feel ready to come out, he doesn't resist at all and he's confident that he doesn't have anything left in the tank."

As a consequence of that, the TEAM seemed to behave in a frustrated way and we seemed to lack competitiveness and then there were errors made on defense and we pretty much lost our edge in half an inning and it never returned. We made more errors. Bats were silent. I believe the team vibe was that of a team that knew they had to re-fire themselves up, while playing a good team and deal with a home plate up that may or may not have made some iffy calls.

If I were the coach I'd instruct and demand of my team a neutral vibe while batting and that includes on their way back to the dugout AND for the next one minute. I'd demand that as a coach because no player has ever changed an umps mind, nor does conveying a message even through body language that a batter disagrees with the call. That's the coach's job, not the player.

I believe AFTER a batter leaves the box early and then over acts as if in shock - that he can't believe the strike called against him was actually a ball. To be clear, a player chucks the bat or starts jogging towards first when in fact, that's not what the has YET to make the call on. To me, that's INSANELY disrespect to the umpire and that can ONLY work against the team that treats the home plate umpire. Players should leave that to the coach to deal with instead of acting SHOCKED by what balls/strikes being called are inaccurate. That is actually a huge insult the way some of our hitter react and it puts the rest of the team at odds with the home plate umpire.

So.... imagine that's the case, it put the next batter at odds with the ump. THAT'S how a lack of competitiveness emerges. As a competitor that played two team sports in high school and one in college, I've very careful to be incredibly respectful and at worst neutral about any call a referee makes against me. I don't argue or resist in anyway because it's the best thing for my team because "NO player has ever won a battle of wills against a referee or umpire." and that any other response puts my team at a disadvantage.

It SEEMS like the small-ball baseball teams understand this because they rely on judgment calls more so than other teams if they want to get walked.

FYI because there isn't a ball game, I feel like now is the perfect time to discuss, at length, "the few things we could be doing better" coaches talk about. How players react to umpires is definitely one of them and I believe a very important issue that isn't talked about.
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There is a fine line here because when you tell your players to stop playing with emotion, you are going to have issues. You want a pitcher who doesn’t want to come out. At some point, I agree that you have to let your coach argue for you, and TV will do that. But he’s a player’s coach and going to let his guys be themselves. It’s part of why he recruits so well.
 
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WillisWG said:
The 16 regional sites, with host institutions and records are as follows:

Auburn, Alabama – Auburn (34-21-1)
Baton Rouge, Louisiana – LSU (43-15)
Charlottesville, Virginia – Virginia (45-12)
Clemson, South Carolina – Clemson (43-17)
Columbia, South Carolina – South Carolina (39-19)
Conway, South Carolina – Coastal Carolina (39-19)
Coral Gables, Florida – Miami (FL) (40-19)
Fayetteville, Arkansas – Arkansas (41-16)
Gainesville, Florida – Florida (44-14)
Lexington, Kentucky – Kentucky (36-18)
Nashville, Tennessee – Vanderbilt (41-18)
Stanford, California – Stanford (38-16)
Stillwater, Oklahoma – Oklahoma State (41-17) through games of 5/28
Terre Haute, Indiana – Indiana State (42-15)
Tuscaloosa, Alabama – Alabama (40-19)
Winston-Salem, North Carolina – Wake Forest (47-10)

https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/...ed-2023-ncaa-division-i-baseball-championship
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They are telling us that we are the ninth or tenth best SEC team. I hope our lads can use that as some motivation...?

Unfortunately, we may be the nineth or tenth best team.

We are better than MSU, Ole Miss, Missouri, Georgia. Besides those four, I don't know. Late in season, I think we were better than the chickens and the mildcats.
 
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VolGee4 said:
There is a fine line here because when you tell your players to stop playing with emotion, you are going to have issues. You want a pitcher who doesn’t want to come out. At some point, I agree that you have to let your coach argue for you, and TV will do that. But he’s a player’s coach and going to let his guys be themselves. It’s part of why he recruits so well.
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All this is true. Also, the example given of a player tossing his bat and heading to first before the strike or ball is called is interesting. That is done on all levels of collegiate play and MLB play, so it’s not just Tennessee doing it. I do agree with the notion that it’s disrespectful and might have a way of angering umpires, though.

A few days ago Kevin O’Sullivan was doing an in-game interview with the SEC Network. I believe it was Tom Hart who asked him if he ever did anything to antagonize Tim Corbin’s dugout on purpose. He smiled and said, “no, because we have enough just to handle our own dugout. Believe me, that’s the truth.” Winning cures a lot of ills, but even with teams who are winning big there’s a lot of turbulence to manage in this day and age.
 
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cardvolfan said:
All this is true. Also, the example given of a player tossing his bat and heading to first before the strike or ball is called is interesting. That is done on all levels of collegiate play and MLB play, so it’s not just Tennessee doing it. I do agree with the notion that it’s disrespectful and might have a way of angering umpires, though.

A few days ago Kevin O’Sullivan was doing an in-game interview with the SEC Network. I believe it was Tom Hart who asked him if he ever did anything to antagonize Tim Corbin’s dugout on purpose. He smiled and said, “no, because we have enough just to handle our own dugout. Believe me, that’s the truth.” Winning cures a lot of ills, but even with teams who are winning big there’s a lot of turbulence to manage in this day and age.
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Spot on. We never hear 99% of the stuff (rightfully so) of the headaches and crap that CTV and other coaches have to deal with…. I suspect there’s lots of it but I trust CTV. CFA, CJE, and Q to handle it and do it better than 99.9% of coaching staffs. PS. I’m shocked at how likable O’Sullivan is. I judged him unfairly and can see why CTV is close with him.
 
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