2023 Recruiting

[PRG]

Maybe it's the fact that kellie isn't a top tier coach. Now before anyone comes at me with all the Kellie is this and that crap just listen.
I am by NO means saying she isn't a good coach, or a coach that doesn't love her players or a coach that doesn't respect her players, I think she is all of those things. What she is NOT is a TOP LEVEL or any level winning coach (i think she did take 1 team to a sweeet 16 in her career). Now compare her resume to the likes of GENO, KIM, VIC, DAWN ect and so on and you will see! When TOP elite recruits think about college and playing they
1. Want to play under a Coach that knows what they are doing on the court
2. One who can develop them into someone who can play pro
3. One who can win championships (BIG one here)

If you were a recruit and had the choice to play for Kellie or Dawn Geno Vic Tara, Kim who would you choose.? Obviously there is some reason recruits are cutting TN off and moving on.

TN use to be the #1 place to play women's basketball but it wasn't bc knoxville is such an awesome place to live and there is so much to offer. Yes we have the BEST and I mean BEST facilities but kids wanted to come here bc of one reason and one reason only PAT SUMMIT (the coach) kids knew what she was about, they knew what she produced and they knew one BIG thing THEY WOULD WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS
they do not know that or believe that anymore

This is not bashing Kellie, I personally like her and think she is a good person. As far as recruiting goes the staff is definitely lacking something and I think it starts with a coach who has proven they can get it done.

JMO no negativity towards TN or lady vols just opinion on why recruits are going else where

I take exception to #2 in particular….
Rennia Davis was coached by Kellie for two years !
Rae Burrell was coached by Kelly for three years !

How many on this years team will be drafted ?
Jordan Horston
Rickea Jackson
Tamera Key

Other than her first year at Tennessee…. She has players being drafted into the pros for three years in a row !!!!!

PLUS ……. Everyone of these players turning pro had the choice to NOT PLAY FOR KELLIE BUT THEY ALL CHOSE TO PLAY FOR HER !

 

[lvocd]

I am NOT against TN I mean don't make something stupid out of NOTHING come on!!!!!

I actually know you didn't mean it to hurt Tennessee. I was just struck by how it accidentally ended up being the kind of post people from other fanships love to read from Tennessee fans about their own team and coach. I know you are a diehard LV fan.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Yeah i agree with LVOcd , i think the OP's post was not intentionally bashing Tenn , just a hypothesis as to what some 18 year old may be thinking. Of course people dont want to hear that but its somewhat factual . This season will be a big turning point for Kellie she will get over the hump im confident. GO LV !

 

[LUVMESUMVOL]

Yeah i agree with LVOcd , i think the OP's post was not intentionally bashing Tenn , just a hypothesis as to what some 18 year old may be thinking. Of course people dont want to hear that but its somewhat factual . This season will be a big turning point for Kellie she will get over the hump im confident. GO LV !

I think we should if you will stop the critique on recruiting until after this season play out cause everyone says if she gets to a final 4 or even win it all they will come well lets be patient and see if that theory plays out if she wins and they come you got your answer if she win and they still dont come some got their answer if she doesnt obtain the goal that we think this team should accomplish well others have their answer in other words the outcome of many opinions will come to light lets just wait on it and whoever narrative seems to fit post it and no one can argue against it

 

[GameTime]

After reading those comments, a few posts back, it reads like the league should just be Dawn, Geno, Vic, Tara, Kim, and anyone but Kellie....

It's like telling your wife she is cute, but the real beauty is the girl in the red dress over there, or little Mary Jane, or anyone, as long as it's not you.

 

[Dak1219]

Maybe it's the fact that kellie isn't a top tier coach. Now before anyone comes at me with all the Kellie is this and that crap just listen.
I am by NO means saying she isn't a good coach, or a coach that doesn't love her players or a coach that doesn't respect her players, I think she is all of those things. What she is NOT is a TOP LEVEL or any level winning coach (i think she did take 1 team to a sweeet 16 in her career). Now compare her resume to the likes of GENO, KIM, VIC, DAWN ect and so on and you will see! When TOP elite recruits think about college and playing they
1. Want to play under a Coach that knows what they are doing on the court
2. One who can develop them into someone who can play pro
3. One who can win championships (BIG one here)

If you were a recruit and had the choice to play for Kellie or Dawn Geno Vic Tara, Kim who would you choose.? Obviously there is some reason recruits are cutting TN off and moving on.

TN use to be the #1 place to play women's basketball but it wasn't bc knoxville is such an awesome place to live and there is so much to offer. Yes we have the BEST and I mean BEST facilities but kids wanted to come here bc of one reason and one reason only PAT SUMMIT (the coach) kids knew what she was about, they knew what she produced and they knew one BIG thing THEY WOULD WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS
they do not know that or believe that anymore

This is not bashing Kellie, I personally like her and think she is a good person. As far as recruiting goes the staff is definitely lacking something and I think it starts with a coach who has proven they can get it done.

JMO no negativity towards TN or lady vols just opinion on why recruits are going else where[/
The fact that she is 1 of only 2 coaches to get 4 teams to the NCAA tournament speaks volumes of what she is capable of. Put Dawn Staley or Gino Auriemma at the mid major schools that Kellie has coached at and been successful and they wouldn't do well. Dawn had been around a while and was well known as an Olympian and College star and she still had trouble winning her first 5-6 years just to get past the sweet 16 at south Carolina. She certainly didn't make it far at Temple without the best players in the country playing for her. Kellie made it to a sweet 16 at Missouri state with a bunch of 2 & 3-star players and almost won that game.

 

[CP3_LVFL]

Yet again .


The post was NOT bashing kellie as a coach!!!
The post was NOT saying Kellie is a BAD coach!!!
The post was simply saying that RIGHT now ELITE TOP TIER kids out of HS want to play for BIG named coaches at top level programs that have proven they can have success and WIN CHAMPIONS, tournaments etc
KELLIE has NOT proven that as of yet at this level is all I was saying. I dont care what she did at the mid major level and neither does the recruits

 

[lvocd]

Yet again .


The post was NOT bashing kellie as a coach!!!
The post was NOT saying Kellie is a BAD coach!!!
The post was simply saying that RIGHT now ELITE TOP TIER kids out of HS want to play for BIG named coaches at top level programs that have proven they can have success and WIN CHAMPIONS, tournaments etc
KELLIE has NOT proven that as of yet at this level is all I was saying. I dont care what she did at the mid major level and neither does the recruits

Do you not see how putting those words onto a public forum could be hurtful? Why must people think that just because they feel strongly that something is true that it MUST be said as if NOT saying it is somehow wrong? Sometimes it's better to not actually put in writing things we think are true. Can you not understand that? Seriously. Maybe that concept doesn't make sense to everyone like it does to me.

 

[turbovol]

Do you not see how putting those words onto a public forum could be hurtful? Why must people think that just because they feel strongly that something is true that it MUST be said as if NOT saying it is somehow wrong? Sometimes it's better to not actually put in writing things we think are true. Can you not understand that? Seriously. Maybe that concept doesn't make sense to everyone like it does to me.

It's a public forum. We're not here to run public relations for the BB program.

 

[GameTime]

Do you not see how putting those words onto a public forum could be hurtful? Why must people think that just because they feel strongly that something is true that it MUST be said as if NOT saying it is somehow wrong? Sometimes it's better to not actually put in writing things we think are true. Can you not understand that? Seriously. Maybe that concept doesn't make sense to everyone like it does to me.

My thoughts exactly.....Hell fire, we got our opponents fan base saying come and play for their award winning coach, and now our own teams fan says the same thing, and the fan thinks this is a good thing to say.

 

[CP3_LVFL]

How many people on here are asking the question "why are the top elite kids not coming to TN" I have seen multiple posters ask this very question and I simply voiced my opinion. Its obviously something many want to know but as soon as the TRUTH is told everyone gets butt hurt
Don't ask questions you don't want the answers too
If you reread all my post
It is not bashing TN or Kellie ( I love both)
I never once said TN was not the place to be (I think its the best ) or Kellie was not a good coach to play for
I simply stated why ELITE players are choosing else where
Take Maddie Booker for instance she just said on record that she based her choice fully on "the coach she most wanted to play for"
It is what it is right now!
Can it change YES
But Kellie will have to take TN very far consistently for that to happen
She has the talent and team to do that this year (hopefully)

 

[Voluble2]

The copium on this board is industrial grade.

 

[Volfan2012]

How many people on here are asking the question "why are the top elite kids not coming to TN" I have seen multiple posters ask this very question and I simply voiced my opinion. Its obviously something many want to know but as soon as the TRUTH is told everyone gets butt hurt
Don't ask questions you don't want the answers too
If you reread all my post
It is not bashing TN or Kellie ( I love both)
I never once said TN was not the place to be (I think its the best ) or Kellie was not a good coach to play for
I simply stated why ELITE players are choosing else where
Take Maddie Booker for instance she just said on record that she based her choice fully on "the coach she most wanted to play for"
It is what it is right now!
Can it change YES
But Kellie will have to take TN very far consistently for that to happen
She has the talent and team to do that this year (hopefully)

Last years roster was rated the 10th best in the country and they played that way until injuries decimated it quite a bit there at the end. Still were able to put together a fairly good season. This years roster rated fourth best in the country really needs to be able to play that well. I agree this year is huge for Tennessee and Coach Harper. I disagree that elite players are not choosing us. Because no matter how you get a player whether that be high school or portal they are here to play for Coach Kellie Harper and they came here for that reason. The roster has three who were top ten players out of high school this year and another six or seven that were top 50 so we have an elite roster this season. That is all that matters going forward this year and the years to come so grading by the final roster each year seems more logical that worrying about where a player came from. Of course we need a couple high schoolers every year. This year is not over we can assess this much better when the recruiting season for high school is over.

 

[lvocd]

It's a public forum. We're not here to run public relations for the BB program.

If you to somehow become 100% certain that some of your comments here had negatively impacted recruiting for the Lady Vols, would having that knowledge make a difference in how you post going forward? If you say, "No. It's just a message board," then that would say a lot about how you really feel about the program.

 

[NeedOrange]

Maybe it's the fact that kellie isn't a top tier coach. Now before anyone comes at me with all the Kellie is this and that crap just listen.
I am by NO means saying she isn't a good coach, or a coach that doesn't love her players or a coach that doesn't respect her players, I think she is all of those things. What she is NOT is a TOP LEVEL or any level winning coach (i think she did take 1 team to a sweeet 16 in her career). Now compare her resume to the likes of GENO, KIM, VIC, DAWN ect and so on and you will see! When TOP elite recruits think about college and playing they
1. Want to play under a Coach that knows what they are doing on the court
2. One who can develop them into someone who can play pro
3. One who can win championships (BIG one here)

If you were a recruit and had the choice to play for Kellie or Dawn Geno Vic Tara, Kim who would you choose.? Obviously there is some reason recruits are cutting TN off and moving on.

TN use to be the #1 place to play women's basketball but it wasn't bc knoxville is such an awesome place to live and there is so much to offer. Yes we have the BEST and I mean BEST facilities but kids wanted to come here bc of one reason and one reason only PAT SUMMIT (the coach) kids knew what she was about, they knew what she produced and they knew one BIG thing THEY WOULD WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS
they do not know that or believe that anymore

This is not bashing Kellie, I personally like her and think she is a good person. As far as recruiting goes the staff is definitely lacking something and I think it starts with a coach who has proven they can get it done.

JMO no negativity towards TN or lady vols just opinion on why recruits are going else where

Geno took over UConn in 1985. He won teh National Championship in 1995 - 10 years later
Dawn took over SCAR in 2008 and won her first championship in 2017 - 9 years later

Perhaps it is a bit early to judge Kellie. Personally I am a KJH fan. If she has a problem recruiting it may be because she looks so young that she appears to be just a little older than her players. Compare her to Vic, Kim, Tara, Geno, Dawn and who appears to be the wiser more experienced person. If you look for a financial adviser based on looks who are you going to trust your money with. In my mind Vic and Tara would get all my cash. In these days i believe it is in the back of the mind for all top players that their choice of a coach is going to impact their livelihood.

 

[1reVOLver]

If you look for a financial adviser based on looks…

If you choose a financial advisor based on their looks…you are an idiot.

Are you suggesting that Kellie tries to recruits idiots?

No, I didn't think so.

 

[NeedOrange]

If you choose a financial advisor based on their looks…you are an idiot.

Are you suggesting that Kellie tries to recruits idiots?

No, I didn't think so.

You are exactly right. I do not think Kellie recruits idiots. She recruits 15, 16, and 17 year-old high school sophomores and juniors.

 

[sisaq]

I have no idea why Kellie and recruits is a big topic. We should be thanking the athletic director for that big move...if Kellie wasn't here today lady vols would've been bye bye

 

[37620VOL]

If you choose a financial advisor based on their looks…you are an idiot.

Are you suggesting that Kellie tries to recruits idiots?

No, I didn't think so.

I'm not sure that's what NO was trying to say. NO was more likely saying that there are some age related biases that have to be overcome.

 

[turbovol]

I have no idea why Kellie and recruits is a big topic. We should be thanking the athletic director for that big move...if Kellie wasn't here today lady vols would've been bye bye

Absurd comment. There are PLENTY of good coaches in America. I wanted UT to hire Banghart away from Princeton--smart, dynamic, dominated the Ivy League, ready for a move to the big-time, but she wasn't a former LV and so Fulmer ignored her and UNC hired her. I think Harper has gotten the train back on the track after Warlick sent the program plunging into a ravine--but we're still only going about half-speed. This year WILL be big. We've got to make a serious run in the NCAA. It's imperative.

 

[mudcat1973]

where did jackson, key, or horston said they open to take 5 covid year? If they said it on twitter and its not what i think so or 2nd or 3nd hand hear said. Then 23 recuit might not want come if she wants lots of playing time. final 4 or better they will come.

 

[Volfan2012]

Absurd comment. There are PLENTY of good coaches in America. I wanted UT to hire Banghart away from Princeton--smart, dynamic, dominated the Ivy League, ready for a move to the big-time, but she wasn't a former LV and so Fulmer ignored her and UNC hired her. I think Harper has gotten the train back on the track after Warlick sent the program plunging into a ravine--but we're still only going about half-speed. This year WILL be big. We've got to make a serious run in the NCAA. It's imperative.

And yet we got just as far in the NCAA Tourney as NC did without our best player and a couple of other key player. So wouldn't you say this is a big year for Banghart as well to get somewhere besides the sweet 16?

 

[River67]

where did jackson, key, or horston said they open to take 5 covid year? If they said it on twitter and its not what i think so or 2nd or 3nd hand hear said. Then 23 recuit might not want come if she wants lots of playing time. final 4 or better they will come.

Tamari hasn’t said it, Jordy and Rickea were both asked on separate podcasts and they both said they were open to it

 

[LadyOrange]

where did jackson, key, or horston said they open to take 5 covid year? If they said it on twitter and its not what i think so or 2nd or 3nd hand hear said. Then 23 recuit might not want come if she wants lots of playing time. final 4 or better they will come.

Jackson said this in an interview with Maria shortly after she committed.

 

[LadyOrange]

Geno took over UConn in 1985. He won teh National Championship in 1995 - 10 years later
Dawn took over SCAR in 2008 and won her first championship in 2017 - 9 years later

Perhaps it is a bit early to judge Kellie. Personally I am a KJH fan. If she has a problem recruiting it may be because she looks so young that she appears to be just a little older than her players. Compare her to Vic, Kim, Tara, Geno, Dawn and who appears to be the wiser more experienced person. If you look for a financial adviser based on looks who are you going to trust your money with. In my mind Vic and Tara would get all my cash. In these days i believe it is in the back of the mind for all top players that their choice of a coach is going to impact their livelihood.

And Geno relied on Pat to give him his first “big break” when she agreed to play UConn for the first time.