2023 Recruiting

[37620VOL]

$800k

After giving it some thought, I think our LV collective needs $800k annually to secure our recruiting status at a top 5 level. This funding would target elite recruits and secure them 4-year NIL deals in the local Knoxville area.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Alumni Hall is running the show at OMD now and has moved the store 10 minutes from campus and it is glorious! They’ve also added infant, toddler and youth sizes and are supporting all 9 Lady Vol programs. As great as it is that programs are killing it across the board, it actually hurts is because it’s always going to be about football first in this fan base. Terri Holder is running the collective exclusively now, but we can’t depend on only fan support, she’s going to have to hit up the big money donors and corporate donations and not just set up fall festivals and dinners or we’re going to get further behind in NIL

Its a business and has to be treated as such. You don't market the team,,,you use the exposure of the athletes to promote women's sports, by proxy buy their tshirts.

Its a business

its all about how you market it and how aggressive you are. TN has THE women's brand. Now that NIL is the new standard look for more teams to go Lady-____'s

NIL will soon force this
if it doesn't,,,then it wasn't handled right.

 

[dapeak]

$800k

After giving it some thought, I think our LV collective needs $800k annually to secure our recruiting status at a top 5 level. This funding would target elite recruits and secure them 4-year NIL deals in the local Knoxville area.

Thinking of all LV sports teams, give LV a 1.5M endowment each year to have a “base salary” around 50k and build NIL profile from there

 

[CoryDallasLV]

You think or you know ? That would make the case even worse if we do and the recruits are still choosing elsewhere. I have not heard of any sort of similar deal in knoxville where "Each player" gets at least 25K. I know our top players are getting NIL money but not "Each player".

A lot if not all of them are already making that. I’ll say it again, Tennessee is one of the top schools in the entire country for their female athletes making among the best in the ENTIRE country. This is across all sports.

 

[CoryDallasLV]

Yet we continue to say NIL is not a factor...we gotta wake up folks !

A lot of the NIL money and deals are also on the player and location and not the school. A lot of these players are savvy and can get the deals they want no matter where they go. A lot also can depend on local businesses and what sports they do or do not want want to help put money into. At this stage I think it is unfair to say that very many players in basketball have been lost due to NIL deals for any programs outside of P5 programs.

 

[Orange007]

We are about to have the best season in years. Either we score recruits the old fashioned way or they join us after the portal. Some portal recruits will soon find out their coaches changed after the ink dried on the signing letter. Tennessee has always had, and will continue to have, a culture where coaches care about their players. Even when we had bad seasons, the LVs did not get desperate and start using questionable recruiting tactics. Proud of that.

 

[LadyOrange]

All I got to say is this is what happen with Holly towards the end she missed a couple classes and we had to plug in some three star type players and the losses started luckily Kellie has the portal to fall back on unlike Holly but Kellie has got to figure out what the issue is and get it fixed ASAP we can’t become Portal U..

What’s wrong with getting players from the portal?

 

[LadyOrange]

Holly’s teams didn’t lose because of her players.

There were lots of injuries, too. Draya Carter, for example

 

[lvocd]

We are about to have the best season in years. Either we score recruits the old fashioned way or they join us after the portal. Some portal recruits will soon find out their coaches changed after the ink dried on the signing letter. Tennessee has always had, and will continue to have, a culture where coaches care about their players. Even when we had bad seasons, the LVs did not get desperate and start using questionable recruiting tactics. Proud of that.

Thank you! Integrity still means something within the Lady Vol program, and I hope Kellie and Samantha and Joy and Jon -- or whomever is running the program at any point in the future -- never cave to what must be immense pressure to do whatEVER they have to do to get signatures.

I admit that it's frustrating to know we're coming to within a hair's width of signing some terrific high school talent, only to watch them go elsewhere while strongly suspecting there may be some shady dealings behind some of their decisions. As an imperfect human I haven even joked here myself that maybe it's time we chuck our high ideals and join the circus.

But I don't really mean that. Look at the program now. Without ever having resorted to shenanigans we're right up there near the top again, and actually have a legitimate shot at contending for championships! My gawd. I'm so darn proud of that, ESPECIALLY since I know no compromises to the program's strong legacy of "doing things the right way" have occurred along the way.

 

[sisaq]

Looks like the 6'6 ADR commits to Dawn..good luck Dawn twitter

 

[turbovol]

Its a business and has to be treated as such. You don't market the team,,,you use the exposure of the athletes to promote women's sports, by proxy buy their tshirts.

Its a business

its all about how you market it and how aggressive you are. TN has THE women's brand. Now that NIL is the new standard look for more teams to go Lady-____'s

NIL will soon force this
if it doesn't,,,then it wasn't handled right.

Sorry, but we aren't THE brand anymore. Haven't been for a while.

 

[sgacock]

Looks like the 6'6 ADR commits to Dawn..good luck Dawn twitter

Nope.

Hoopgurlz #25. Tessa Johnson. 5-10 guard.

 

[Ovol]

We are about to have the best season in years. Either we score recruits the old fashioned way or they join us after the portal. Some portal recruits will soon find out their coaches changed after the ink dried on the signing letter. Tennessee has always had, and will continue to have, a culture where coaches care about their players. Even when we had bad seasons, the LVs did not get desperate and start using questionable recruiting tactics. Proud of that.

I firmly believe this to be true. They will be here sooner or later, especially after they sit on the bench when they expected to play.

 

[sgacock]

Thank you! Integrity still means something within the Lady Vol program, and I hope Kellie and Samantha and Joy and Jon -- or whomever is running the program at any point in the future -- never cave to what must be immense pressure to do whatEVER they have to do to get signatures.

I admit that it's frustrating to know we're coming to within a hair's width of signing some terrific high school talent, only to watch them go elsewhere while strongly suspecting there may be some shady dealings behind some of their decisions. As an imperfect human I haven even joked here myself that maybe it's time we chuck our high ideals and join the circus.

But I don't really mean that. Look at the program now. Without ever having resorted to shenanigans we're right up there near the top again, and actually have a legitimate shot at contending for championships! My gawd. I'm so darn proud of that, ESPECIALLY since I know no compromises to the program's strong legacy of "doing things the right way" have occurred along the way.

What are "shenanigans" nowadays?

NIL deals are legit and legal. Ask the Supreme Court. Admittedly, the boundaries are gray thanks to NCAA inaction.

"Negative recruiting?" Sorry, that's just a facet of human life. If a rival/competitor has a flaw, it is exploited. That's life. I can't believe anybody whines about it (not saying you are but others in this thread.) Is it "negative recruiting" to point out the depth of talent that another team has on their roster while pushing early playing time to a recruit? I dunno'. Seems like a whiner's issue to me.

The hundred dollar booster handshake seems like the only "shenanigan" left.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

A lot if not all of them are already making that. I’ll say it again, Tennessee is one of the top schools in the entire country for their female athletes making among the best in the ENTIRE country. This is across all sports.

Which ones outside of our top players are making it ?

 

[River67]

Which ones outside of our top players are making it ?

Tess is doing very well in NIL deals

 

[Lucy]

25,000 is "minimum wage" at SCar for sharing in team-related NIL. Do you think Boston and Cooke are limited to $25,00) on their "outside" NIL?

It will be interesting to see how dollar differentials affect team chemistry (talking overall not just SC).
Lots of kids are going to be dissatisfied when receiving less than teammates they believe to be their equal. Whole new world to navigate.

 

[Lucy]

Not everything , but who else do we blame for striking out in a big year ? The players ? The cheerleaders ? How about the AD ? Overall im allowed to express my discontent . We will be a great team and this year will be a big year in future recruiting so i now shift my focus to the season .

Alert!! Sometimes things just don’t work out. There is a least some level of luck/randomness even in recruiting. Certainly not completely random but it is a factor.
I’m sure Kellie and staff are doing a deep dive into recruiting results to determine future challenges and opportunities. We would do well to remember that this is their profession and livelihood. They probably know more about this than recruiting thread posters.

 

[turbovol]

What are "shenanigans" nowadays?

NIL deals are legit and legal. Ask the Supreme Court. Admittedly, the boundaries are gray thanks to NCAA inaction.

"Negative recruiting?" Sorry, that's just a facet of human life. If a rival/competitor has a flaw, it is exploited. That's life. I can't believe anybody whines about it (not saying you are but others in this thread.) Is it "negative recruiting" to point out the depth of talent that another team has on their roster while pushing early playing time to a recruit? I dunno'. Seems like a whiner's issue to me.

The hundred dollar booster handshake seems like the only "shenanigan" left.

NIL was meant to help players after they got to a college and were playing. It was not meant to be a bribery free-for-all, which is what it is now. Are we to understand that recruiting has come down to a bidding war between various schools--whoever offers the kid the most money wins? That's seedy--greedy. Some say it's a business. No, it's not, even if football and basketball have been corrupted by commercialization. It's still college.

 

[Coach Jumper]

NIL was meant to help players after they got to a college and were playing. It was not meant to be a bribery free-for-all, which is what it is now. Are we to understand that recruiting has come down to a bidding war between various schools--whoever offers the kid the most money wins? That's seedy--greedy. Some say it's a business. No, it's not, even if football and basketball have been corrupted by commercialization. It's still college.

what's worse is the fact that money IS talking and you don't have to be a 30 thousand enrollment school to produce money-makers. Look at Duke enrollment 9000,,,but duke graduates get money. Harvard, Cornell,,,little schools like that could become NIL landmines

 

[sgacock]

NIL was meant to help players after they got to a college and were playing. It was not meant to be a bribery free-for-all, which is what it is now. Are we to understand that recruiting has come down to a bidding war between various schools--whoever offers the kid the most money wins? That's seedy--greedy. Some say it's a business. No, it's not, even if football and basketball have been corrupted by commercialization. It's still college.

I don't know if much of that goes on in wbb. Football? Sure. It's wild, wild west. Basketball, probably just as bad.

SCar has announced a minimum wage only for collective sharing. For recruiting, that's it. The individual player can still make individual deals that the school is not involved in even before they commit to a team.

 

[sgacock]

what's worse is the fact that money IS talking and you don't have to be a 30 thousand enrollment school to produce money-makers. Look at Duke enrollment 9000,,,but duke graduates get money. Harvard, Cornell,,,little schools like that could become NIL landmines

Only for finance majors with top 1 percent SATs. Heck, they don't even care enough about sports to offer scholarships.

 

[volnationnj]

Looks like the 6'6 ADR commits to Dawn..good luck Dawn twitter

It could be ADR but...

 

[lvocd]

Sorry, but we aren't THE brand anymore. Haven't been for a while.

In the sense that there is no other women's program that has their own specific, unique brand, we'll always stand out for that. If I'm looking at at a sports graphic illustration of all the team logos, there's only ever going to be ONE that is unmistakable as being that of a Tennessee women's program. Take that one out and you'd have to delve deeper to find out whether we're talking about men's or women's programs. Our brand in its logo form is the only one instantly recognizable as belonging to women, and I love the power in that.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Tess is doing very well in NIL deals

Yes aware of Tess but im speaking in totality . If everyone is getting an NIL deal like SC's i need a receipt.