2024 Presidential Race

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volbound1700 said:
Yeah, Trumps typical schtick of throwing mud at his opponents just isn't going to work with Kamala. Kamala's issue has always been that she is highly unqualified but her base doesn't care. If he comes at her hard with insults like he did with Hillary or Biden, it will help Kamala and hurt him. His campaign style was to always insult his opponents and point out that they are politicians that ruined this nation.
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I agree. Trump doesn’t need to go after Harris and use his “nasty woman” garbage insults.It will easily be used against him, and will only embolden the women’s vote against Republicans.
Just hammer her on her record and resume. What has she ever done ? What has she ever accomplished? Her own party has deemed her pretty much worthless the past 3-4+ years . Why is that? She doesn’t come across as an intellectual, and has very few leadership skills or charisma that can overcome her giggly persona crap. She isn’t a good candidate. Just hammer the border stuff, hammer inflation that ties her to Biden, show her extreme liberal record over the years, how can she be a Commander in Chief during the most dangerous time in the world since the 1940’s or October 1962? These are all things that can just be crushed w/o using personal attacks.

I have zero confidence that Trump is capable of doing this though.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
All he has to do is let Harris expose herself and her beliefs without looking like an ass. So............... He's screwed.
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Same could be said in 2020. He opens his mouth too much.

As much as people crap on both candidates, it is what Americans vote for.

I could see the logic of Biden in 2020 (to some degree) but I literally cannot see how Americans would vote Democrat in 2024 due to the inflation/economic issues they have caused. This is an American Electorate problem.

Honestly, I have started questioning democracies for some time. Take Europe for example, a lot of their nations were more powerful when they had Catholic Monarchs like Austria with the Hapsburg, Spain with Isabella and Ferdinand (things went south for Spain when all their heirs died early and Hapsburgs inherited them and used Spain's wealth to fight wars in Belgium and Germany rather than make Spain wealthier. Had Isabella's descendants survived, Spain may have been in greater shape long-term), or the United Kingdom with Elizabeth, George II, Victoria, etc.

Take France. I jokingly (or somewhat jokingly) posted the French Flag prior to the Revolution and cited that the nation of France was far more stable and successful in the eras when it was under Kings and Queens than in the era from the French Revolution and after. The French Revolution was an utter failure and led to millions of deaths, war, disorder, instability, etc. Even then, France fell under a dictator, Napoleon Bonaparte, and then another King, Louis XVIII. France lost its place as the leading land power of Europe to Prussia (later Germany) and started an economic and influential decline.

It seems like having a system were ever vote is equal and you have people that vote for government benefits at the expense of others, people that vote uninformed, etc. is just not a good system. It worked throughout most of our nation's history because voters used to be informed and, frankly, our nation and communities were smaller so that you could often go meet candidates easily (you still can for some local elections).

We talk about the success of Democracy but it has failed in a lot of instances:

1. Athenian Republic - Conquered by Sparta and then Rome
2. Roman Republic - Became Dictatorship with Emperors
3. Weimar Republic - Seized by the Nazis
4. Russia Republic 1917 - Taken over by Communists
5. Russia Republic 1991-2000s - Taken over by Putin
6. French Republic - Fell to Directorate and then Napoleon. In fact, France is now on its 5th Republic
7. European Union - In economic, military, and influential decline globally (I am trying to sum up most of Europe here)
8. Chinese National Party - Conquered by Chinese Communists under Mao Tse Tsung
9. Afghanistan - Taken over by the Taliban shortly after US forces pulled out
10. Various nations in Africa - Constantly unstable, taken over by Dictators, and erupted into Civil War. I can describe Liberia, Sierra Leone, Rwanda, Somalia, or others
11. Venezuela - You see the results now
12. Galactic Republic - Taken over by Palpatine and the Sith. Reorganized into the First Galactic Empire (I am making a joke here)

Perhaps someone can explain more how our system works because it doesn't seem to be working.

I know this rubs a lot of people on here but it seems like the only ingredient that kept the West together and made it successful was the Christian, Moral principles that emerged among the various nations in Europe during the Medieval Eras based off the writings of the Bible and Ancient Israel.

I am glad to hear a counter opinion to everything that I said above. I want to love Democracy and Freedom but it just doesn't seem to work. It tends to breed selfishness and dependency.

I also know there is some rambling in here but that is the way my brain works.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Trump has done better agree, but the midnight tweets and rants are over the top. It's is a sign of derangement. Midnight temper tantrums are just too childlike and accomplishes nothing except showing how much the little things get to him and he should be above that at his age. I have stated the all he had to do was to keep his mouth shut and he could not.

We are stuck with two candidates that really don't deserve to run for the office. Trump is like a broken record and KH is just too untrustworthy and liberal. It is not where they are today but where they will go with this Presidency.

Throwing crap against the wall and see what sticks. Smoke and Mirrors for both. 2025 did not stick so they abandoned and criticized the Concept. KH throwing a lot at it and no one can figure out her campaign platform. Both rely on Fear and more fear.

Our choices for presidents are the last picks realistically for each party. It's now just about winning.
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I would argue this reflects 60-70% of the American population right now.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I agree. Trump doesn’t need to go after Harris and use his “nasty woman” garbage insults.It will easily be used against him, and will only embolden the women’s vote against Republicans.
Just hammer her on her record and resume. What has she ever done ? What has she ever accomplished? Her own party has deemed her pretty much worthless the past 3-4+ years . Why is that? She doesn’t come across as an intellectual, and has very few leadership skills or charisma that can overcome her giggly persona crap. She isn’t a good candidate. Just hammer the border stuff, hammer inflation that ties her to Biden, show her extreme liberal record over the years, how can she be a Commander in Chief during the most dangerous time in the world since the 1940’s or October 1962? These all things that can just be crushed w/o using personal attacks.

I have zero confidence that Trump is capable of doing this though.
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One very minor but huge thing that I would do if I took over MAGA is to stop calling it MAGA and call it MAG (Make America Great).

In a way, MAGA is appropriate but it depends on what you call "Great". I think this is one big item that splits people is based off how you define if a nation is successful or not. USA was far more successful when it came to economic setup/prosperity, influence in the world, and stability in the past but it was also not very great when it come to treatment of minorities.

If you are playing a 4x strategy game such as Civilization and defining the USA based on that, 1950 was a FAR BETTER time for the USA. Just like 1600s were better for France or 1900 better for the UK. However, if you define it based on how the average person lived, it wasn't better.

Saying Make America Great is a far more unifying message than MAGA.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I have never initiated attacks against him. I only respond to clown who are praising, or like you making him the perpetual victim. You should pay a little more attention to details instead of generalizing those that dislike him
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El oh el. Your view will never allow otherwise. Trump is no victim, and anyone with common sense knows what your view will be. It’s ok you don’t like him, but don’t act like you’re being fair either.

Short of Trump coming out for DEI, you would have insulted him for anything he did at the conference. Trying to gaslight anyone calling you out doesn’t work.

I simply said he will never win with some people, including you.

Trump was walking into a buzz saw yesterday, it’s up for debate whether he did the right thing. You would have said he’s terrible either way.
 
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Septic said:
Black people see her as black. Full stop.

Trump trying to gatekeep what being black is, is a new low.
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This is why people that sure don’t want to vote Democrat have a hard time with Trump. These are the things he needs to keep his mouth shut on. Let the op eds in the WSJ or other outlets bat that around for public consumption.
 
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Sometimes I wonder if Trump is just a false flag operative for the Democrats. He's lost more elections for Republicans than Democrats could have ever dreamed of (with all the terrible candidates he endorses), and is well on his way to lose another of his own.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That was a stupid thing for Biden to say .... and Kamala Harris's father is still black.
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All true, but only one gets swept under the rug by the D party, but not Trump asking “which is it?” Also a stupid thing to say. He should know he’s not helping himself going down that road.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Same could be said in 2020. He opens his mouth too much.

As much as people crap on both candidates, it is what Americans vote for.

I could see the logic of Biden in 2020 (to some degree) but I literally cannot see how Americans would vote Democrat in 2024 due to the inflation/economic issues they have caused. This is an American Electorate problem.

Honestly, I have started questioning democracies for some time. Take Europe for example, a lot of their nations were more powerful when they had Catholic Monarchs like Austria with the Hapsburg, Spain with Isabella and Ferdinand (things went south for Spain when all their heirs died early and Hapsburgs inherited them and used Spain's wealth to fight wars in Belgium and Germany rather than make Spain wealthier. Had Isabella's descendants survived, Spain may have been in greater shape long-term), or the United Kingdom with Elizabeth, George II, Victoria, etc.

Take France. I jokingly (or somewhat jokingly) posted the French Flag prior to the Revolution and cited that the nation of France was far more stable and successful in the eras when it was under Kings and Queens than in the era from the French Revolution and after. The French Revolution was an utter failure and led to millions of deaths, war, disorder, instability, etc. Even then, France fell under a dictator, Napoleon Bonaparte, and then another King, Louis XVIII. France lost its place as the leading land power of Europe to Prussia (later Germany) and started an economic and influential decline.

It seems like having a system were ever vote is equal and you have people that vote for government benefits at the expense of others, people that vote uninformed, etc. is just not a good system. It worked throughout most of our nation's history because voters used to be informed and, frankly, our nation and communities were smaller so that you could often go meet candidates easily (you still can for some local elections).

We talk about the success of Democracy but it has failed in a lot of instances:

1. Athenian Republic - Conquered by Sparta and then Rome
2. Roman Republic - Became Dictatorship with Emperors
3. Weimar Republic - Seized by the Nazis
4. Russia Republic 1917 - Taken over by Communists
5. Russia Republic 1991-2000s - Taken over by Putin
6. French Republic - Fell to Directorate and then Napoleon. In fact, France is now on its 5th Republic
7. European Union - In economic, military, and influential decline globally (I am trying to sum up most of Europe here)
8. Chinese National Party - Conquered by Chinese Communists under Mao Tse Tsung
9. Afghanistan - Taken over by the Taliban shortly after US forces pulled out
10. Various nations in Africa - Constantly unstable, taken over by Dictators, and erupted into Civil War. I can describe Liberia, Sierra Leone, Rwanda, Somalia, or others
11. Venezuela - You see the results now
12. Galactic Republic - Taken over by Palpatine and the Sith. Reorganized into the First Galactic Empire (I am making a joke here)

Perhaps someone can explain more how our system works because it doesn't seem to be working.

I know this rubs a lot of people on here but it seems like the only ingredient that kept the West together and made it successful was the Christian, Moral principles that emerged among the various nations in Europe during the Medieval Eras based off the writings of the Bible and Ancient Israel.

I am glad to hear a counter opinion to everything that I said above. I want to love Democracy and Freedom but it just doesn't seem to work. It tends to breed selfishness and dependency.

I also know there is some rambling in here but that is the way my brain works.
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"We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.

Can't say we were not warned.
 
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volsforever27 said:
El oh el. Your view will never allow otherwise. Trump is no victim, and anyone with common sense knows what your view will be. It’s ok you don’t like him, but don’t act like you’re being fair either.

Short of Trump coming out for DEI, you would have insulted him for anything he did at the conference. Trying to gaslight anyone calling you out doesn’t work.

I simply said he will never win with some people, including you.

Trump was walking into a buzz saw yesterday, it’s up for debate whether he did the right thing. You would have said he’s terrible either way.
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Yet I haven't commented about yesterday.

You can't prove any of your accusations towards me. You just think you know. Provide a specific example with one of my posts. Use this study hall period you're on right now to your advantage
 
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Sandman 423 said:
"We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.

Can't say we were not warned.
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Indeed. Socialism is the last stop on the way to Communism. “They”…have been very diligent and patient on how it has been slowly introduced over time.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Same could be said in 2020. He opens his mouth too much.

As much as people crap on both candidates, it is what Americans vote for.

I could see the logic of Biden in 2020 (to some degree) but I literally cannot see how Americans would vote Democrat in 2024 due to the inflation/economic issues they have caused. This is an American Electorate problem.

Honestly, I have started questioning democracies for some time. Take Europe for example, a lot of their nations were more powerful when they had Catholic Monarchs like Austria with the Hapsburg, Spain with Isabella and Ferdinand (things went south for Spain when all their heirs died early and Hapsburgs inherited them and used Spain's wealth to fight wars in Belgium and Germany rather than make Spain wealthier. Had Isabella's descendants survived, Spain may have been in greater shape long-term), or the United Kingdom with Elizabeth, George II, Victoria, etc.

Take France. I jokingly (or somewhat jokingly) posted the French Flag prior to the Revolution and cited that the nation of France was far more stable and successful in the eras when it was under Kings and Queens than in the era from the French Revolution and after. The French Revolution was an utter failure and led to millions of deaths, war, disorder, instability, etc. Even then, France fell under a dictator, Napoleon Bonaparte, and then another King, Louis XVIII. France lost its place as the leading land power of Europe to Prussia (later Germany) and started an economic and influential decline.

It seems like having a system were ever vote is equal and you have people that vote for government benefits at the expense of others, people that vote uninformed, etc. is just not a good system. It worked throughout most of our nation's history because voters used to be informed and, frankly, our nation and communities were smaller so that you could often go meet candidates easily (you still can for some local elections).

We talk about the success of Democracy but it has failed in a lot of instances:

1. Athenian Republic - Conquered by Sparta and then Rome
2. Roman Republic - Became Dictatorship with Emperors
3. Weimar Republic - Seized by the Nazis
4. Russia Republic 1917 - Taken over by Communists
5. Russia Republic 1991-2000s - Taken over by Putin
6. French Republic - Fell to Directorate and then Napoleon. In fact, France is now on its 5th Republic
7. European Union - In economic, military, and influential decline globally (I am trying to sum up most of Europe here)
8. Chinese National Party - Conquered by Chinese Communists under Mao Tse Tsung
9. Afghanistan - Taken over by the Taliban shortly after US forces pulled out
10. Various nations in Africa - Constantly unstable, taken over by Dictators, and erupted into Civil War. I can describe Liberia, Sierra Leone, Rwanda, Somalia, or others
11. Venezuela - You see the results now
12. Galactic Republic - Taken over by Palpatine and the Sith. Reorganized into the First Galactic Empire (I am making a joke here)

Perhaps someone can explain more how our system works because it doesn't seem to be working.

I know this rubs a lot of people on here but it seems like the only ingredient that kept the West together and made it successful was the Christian, Moral principles that emerged among the various nations in Europe during the Medieval Eras based off the writings of the Bible and Ancient Israel.

I am glad to hear a counter opinion to everything that I said above. I want to love Democracy and Freedom but it just doesn't seem to work. It tends to breed selfishness and dependency.

I also know there is some rambling in here but that is the way my brain works.
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I would argue a lot of those examples aren't democracy but that aside, by pretty much any measure our democracy has been a success. Doesn't mean it'll continue to be a success
 
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volsforever27 said:
El oh el. Your view will never allow otherwise. Trump is no victim, and anyone with common sense knows what your view will be. It’s ok you don’t like him, but don’t act like you’re being fair either.

Short of Trump coming out for DEI, you would have insulted him for anything he did at the conference. Trying to gaslight anyone calling you out doesn’t work.

I simply said he will never win with some people, including you.

Trump was walking into a buzz saw yesterday, it’s up for debate whether he did the right thing. You would have said he’s terrible either way.
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Agree that he was walking into a buzz saw but it ain’t up for debate. He NEVER should have been allowed to do it and if his handlers thought it was a good idea, they should have been fired this morning. Pretty sure some probably argued against it but when has he ever listened to anyone? He is always going to let that gorilla mouth overload his squirrel brain.
 
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I’m sure any terrorist or hostile foreign power will really be concerned about the race or gender of the president. I’m also sure given the absolute Fing fiasco the Afghanistan withdrawal was that our military leadership and current administration is absolutely prepared for anything.

We’ve never looked weaker and less prepared to the world.
 
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Biden/Harris administration does it again. Just when you thought they could not be any more despicable, they reach new lows as they continue to kick real Americans in the teeth. This time the families of 9/11 victims. If you support this administration or plan to vote for Harris, you are supporting absolute unabashed evil. Change my mind.
www.foxnews.com

Lawmakers, families of 9/11 victims react to plea deal with terrorists: 'Slap in the face'

Lawmakers and families of those killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks reacted angrily to news that three masterminds of the plot have been given plea deals.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
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