2024 Presidential Race

[EasternVol]

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."
Jeremiah 1:5

That's not it.

 

[EasternVol]

Thou shall not kill.

So no capital punishment?

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

What did he or anyone else in the Bible ever say about abortion?

Exodus 21:22-25: “When people […] injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined […]. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life.”​

 

[CobbVol]

That's not it.

Only in your mind.

 

[utvolpj]

Exodus 21:22-25: “When people […] injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined […]. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life.”​

Miscarriage is an English word

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Miscarriage is an English word

Exodus 21:22-25

King James Version

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22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

 

[StarRaider]

tampon tim wants tattlers

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I keep seeing this clip and it makes me uncomfortable because of how cringy it is.

 

[utvolpj]

Exodus 21:22-25​

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King James Version​

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22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Old Testament laws open up all sorts of interesting violations. You follow and believe them all?

 

[LouderVol]

Old Testament laws open up all sorts of interesting violations. You follow and believe them all?

The assertion wasn't that you had to follow them all, the assertion was that the bible didn't say anything about abortion.

 

[wtmvol]

Old Testament laws open up all sorts of interesting violations. You follow and believe them all?

yeah - I'm not defending abortion, but selectively choosing God's specific laws/commands to the Israelites and plopping them into modern day America doesn't work.

 

[utvolpj]

The assertion wasn't that you had to follow them all, the assertion was that the bible didn't say anything about abortion.

That wasn't mine and i really don't care either way as it doesn't change my stance. I just found an English word interesting. We're told all the time that the old rules don't count (unless they are needed to counter a modern argument)

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Old Testament laws open up all sorts of interesting violations. You follow and believe them all?

Don’t divert, You asked for this and I provided. Typical Dem strategy.

 

[InVOLuntary]

While discussing gun control he did claim to have carried a weapon of war into war.

And even if he did, he wasn't carrying an AR15.

 

[utvolpj]

Don’t divert, You asked for this and I provided. Typical Dem strategy.

What exactly did I ask for?

 

[EasternVol]

Exodus 21:22-25​

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King James Version​

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22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

That’s for couples that don’t want to abort. What if the couple wanted to terminate?

 

[EasternVol]

The assertion wasn't that you had to follow them all, the assertion was that the bible didn't say anything about abortion.

Does it say anything about aborting one’s own pregnancy?

 

[hog88]

So no capital punishment?

That’s something we need to eliminate

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

What exactly did I ask for?

@EasternVol ask: What did he or anyone else in the Bible ever say about abortion?

Sorry, I thought you ask the question.

 

[utvolpj]

@EasternVol ask: What did he or anyone else in the Bible ever say about abortion?

Sorry, I thought you ask the question.

So am I still a Dem or not? That's the important part

 

[Sandman 423]

Don’t divert, You asked for this and I provided. Typical Dem strategy.

Contra boy is a lot of things, but he isn't a Dem.

 

[InVOLuntary]

So am I still a Dem or not? That's the important part

 

[Sudden Impact]

And even if he did, he wasn't carrying an AR15.

Probably a 9mm. Don't speak of things you have no clue. No need to defend him if he had 24 years in service he was probably told to move on by higher ups. A good retirement for him and his record will speak for itself. May not be the right choice but for the Dems but they are stuck with him, regardless.
There are several posts in this forum that are so ill informed with assumptions and innuendos that makes just a place to go for entertainment purposes.
Field Artillery Branch of service is a tough place to serve but it is not called the "King of Battle" because it is easy. Being a citizen soldier is a whole new ball game in itself. Unless you have been there and done that you should be careful how you frame a person's career or choices when it comes to there service record.
Instead, several just spout off there opinion without knowing the facts. Fodder and politics.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

So am I still a Dem or not? That's the important part

Your diverting so……..

 

[LouderVol]

Does it say anything about aborting one’s own pregnancy?

haven't seen it in English versions of the Bible, but apparently there are some Hebrew versions with various phrases taken to mean "fetus". Genesis 9:6 in english just says "whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed", but the Hebrew apparently says something more akin to "whoever sheds the blood of man, or man within man (fetus), will know the Judgement of Yaweh, and be put to death"

the bit about the two men fighting is also apparently more complicated in the Hebrew version as well. a lot seems to come down to interpretation by the Rabbi/scholar about abortion. with some of their rabbis/scholars arguing that the cause of the fight would also go to determine the damage. if one of the fighters was dad and they were arguing about the child, it apparently leans more towards the life being protected under Jewish law.

I don't read Hebrew, but have seen it mentioned by several sources, but granted they would be biased, pro-life, sources.

Jewish law has several clauses for abortion
Get the Rabbi's blessing and abortion is allowed. and apparently shopping around for the right rabbi is allowed.
poses a threat to mom, and its allowed.
if there is no proof of life after 40 days, it can be aborted as well. *as an aside I wouldn't consider removing a dead fetus an abortion, but that is just me*
otherwise generally not allowed. There are cases where if a Rabbi is not around, but it falls under one of the Rabbi clauses it can be allowed if they get Rabbi blessing after.
from 0-40 days the fetus has no legal rights.
40-birth, it has some legal rights. but apparently those rights are interpreted individually by rabbis, and nothing set in stone.
also many of them consider even the 40-birth fetus to fall under property crime, and not harm to a person, so there is that as well.