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Stop outsourcing is an actual promise? You know he tried to do this his first term, ****ed up the economy, and there is still outsourcing.

Why didn't he seal the border the first time. You guys see him making impossible promises he can't keep and your genuine, unsarcastic response is fire 🔥. Unite our country? Crush gang violence? You guys are willing rubes.

He's proming to protect 2a and speech after threatening it his first term?
 
Stop outsourcing is an actual promise? You know he tried to do this his first term, ****ed up the economy, and there is still outsourcing.

Why didn't he seal the border the first time. You guys see him making impossible promises he can't keep and your genuine, unsarcastic response is fire 🔥. Unite our country? Crush gang violence? You guys are willing rubes.

He's proming to protect 2a and speech after threatening it his first term?

Actually, this is one of the things Trump actually got right and I see it in Corporate America. The Chinese Tariffs have saved a lot of manufacturing here while Europe continues to struggle with cheap Chinese goods. A lot of foreigners cite that they should have followed Trump's lead. (I worked with this Brazilian company, for example, and the owner was praising Trump).

It wasn't 100% perfect as we are still competing with the rest of the globe and US labor rates are still very high compared to most competitor nations but it helped a lot. This is why Biden kept this tariff in place and was even promoting raising it.

Trump exiting NAFTA helped a little as well. Although, people are figuring out that although early estimates (notably on labor) for Latin America look great, there are a lot of other costs they didn't consider.

I did my homework for my company at one-time and compared a Costa Rica facility we owned to one in Alabama of about the same size. Although labor was still significantly cheaper in Costa Rica, the annual costs in Alabama were cheaper primarily due to transportation and utilities. Getting service support and transporting goods around gets expensive outside the US.
 
Is that a meme or is it a serious list?

Its an actual list. It's a walking contradiction.

He's planning to unite us then list several things to divde us.

He's going to reduce inflation then plans massive deficit spending.

He's going to reduce regulations then proposes more regulations

He's going to fix immigration but didnt attempt to enforce the laws the first term against ag/construction industry
 
Yeah that challenge coin is BS he should know better. It’s fair game to wear his ass out over that for sure. @hog88 take a look at this. Still not gonna call it full blown stolen valor but I’ll easily label him a willful liar misrepresenting his rank.

I said I was out on discussing his departure from the guard. There is a plethora of policy and votes that make this guy unthinkable in the WH.
 
You want to believe that the average voter is ignorant of policies. I don't believe that.
lol. what great or even good debates have you heard from someone outside the PF about policies? Like actual policies and bills?

people don't care, on either side. they see R, or they see D. that is as far as they go.

heck you can see it all the time with interviewers telling a group Person R said something, and they are either for or against it. and then the interviewer lets them know if was actually Person D who said, and they back up trying to unsay what they just said.
 
I said I was out on discussing his departure from the guard. There is a plethora of policy and votes that make this guy unthinkable in the WH.

His departure from the guard certainly seems to be the calamity that the overwhelming majority of his unit members have claimed, but that isn’t even remotely nearly as alarming as his political policy. We are talking about a guy that spent millions in taxpayer money on putting tampon dispensers in every men’s bathroom, seriously? WTF? Most alarming is the fact that he established a hotline for people to snitch and rat out their neighbors if they saw them not wearing masks, even if on their own property. Stasi tactics like that should disqualify him from any sane person’s that believes in citizens rights ballot. Anybody screaming personal rights and freedoms that votes for this guy is simply a fool and a hypocrite of the highest order.
 
His departure from the guard certainly seems to be the calamity that the overwhelming majority of his unit members have claimed, but that isn’t even remotely nearly as alarming as his political policy. We are talking about a guy that spent millions in taxpayer money on putting tampon dispensers in every men’s bathroom, seriously? WTF? Most alarming is the fact that he established a hotline for people to snitch and rat out their neighbors if they saw them not wearing masks, even if on their own property. Stasi tactics like that should disqualify him from any sane person’s that believes in citizens rights ballot. Anybody screaming personal rights and freedoms that votes for this guy is simply a fool and a hypocrite of the highest order.

The tattletale hotline he put in place during covid is enough to disqualify this guy from ever holding national office IMO.
 
Except Walz absolutely does not have any interest in allowing people to make their own choices, as clearly evidenced by his totalitarian COVID-19 policies. If Josh Eakle supports a candidate, you know they're about as left as can be despite his purported "libertarian bonafides."

Did Eakle endorse Walz somewhere else or is this you misunderstanding the tweet again?
 
I said I was out on discussing his departure from the guard. There is a plethora of policy and votes that make this guy unthinkable in the WH.
Fair enough and like I said still doesn’t rise to level of stolen valor I think. But there appears to be plenty of info that he is active in the misrepresentation of his military rank. That I think is noteworthy. But yes his policy and legislative record is enough alone to exclude his progressive ass
 
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Did Eakle endorse Walz somewhere else or is this you misunderstanding the tweet again?

"I come from the libertarian tradition.

This is objectively the most libertarian rhetoric I've seen from a major party on the campaign trail since, maybe, 2012."

"If this principle fully guides their policy platform, they'll win in a landslide."

Oh, so sorry, I forgot that "Libertarians" love to support something/someone extensively while still somehow managing to withhold their support. Probably why the party wins so many elections.
 
"I come from the libertarian tradition.

This is objectively the most libertarian rhetoric I've seen from a major party on the campaign trail since, maybe, 2012."

"If this principle fully guides their policy platform, they'll win in a landslide."

Oh, so sorry, I forgot that "Libertarians" love to support something/someone extensively while still somehow managing to withhold their support. Probably why the party wins so many elections.

OK, so no endorsement.

All he did was endorse this one libertarian thing he said, while appropriately specifying that it's "rhetoric" and in no way, shape, or form is he telling anybody to bank on this, or that he's voting Harris/Walz. He's just pointing out that it's interesting you're hearing this rhetoric from the left ticket. That is all.

Stop wasting my time with this ****. Read the tweet 7 times, make sure you're only drawing logical conclusions, then @ me.
 
OK, so no endorsement.

All he did was endorse this one libertarian thing he said, while appropriately specifying that it's "rhetoric" and in no way, shape, or form is he telling anybody to bank on this, or that he's voting Harris/Walz. He's just pointing out that it's interesting you're hearing this rhetoric from the left ticket. That is all.

Stop wasting my time with this ****. Read the tweet 7 times, make sure you're only drawing logical conclusions, then @ me.

Okay, cool, so Josh has found a major party candidate mirroring his supposed beliefs and feels the need to Tweet about it but... isn't supporting that candidate?

Seems like both you and Josh are the ones wasting time here, which isn't remotely surprising.
 
I said I was out on discussing his departure from the guard. There is a plethora of policy and votes that make this guy unthinkable in the WH.

Walz is way too far left for my liking; however, I dont think Walz's military stuff is a winner for a campaign with a guy that dodged the draft due to "bone spurs"....
 
Okay, cool, so Josh has found a major party candidate mirroring his supposed beliefs and feels the need to Tweet about it but... isn't supporting that candidate?

Seems like both you and Josh are the ones wasting time here, which isn't remotely surprising.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he voted Harris/Walz. He is a left-leaning libertarian. IDK if he goes so far as to vote D. It's beside the point. The point is we can't have a conversation because you go off the rails (twice in two posts) about **** you misunderstood about OP. Just stick to the point. The point is it was libertarian. Was it not?
 
Just like Trump. you are doing nothing but speaking in vague generalities.

What specific policies are you referring to, which will lead to this growth? Are you going to make the tired argument that tax cuts pay for themselves with growth ... or that the added costs of tariffs aren't passed along to consumers? Trump is typically very short on specifics concerning how to combat inflation. He doesn't often show a good command of how inflation is caused. He will usually go off on a tangent about tariffs, though.


Trump's speech at the RNC was a rambling mess that mentioned "defeating inflation," like they were a football team that had upset us last season, but he never said a word about what policies or initiatives that would involve. Project 2025 goes into some detail about it, but he can't use them anymore. The reality is, that whenever Trump starts talking about inflation, you will hear little to no specific proposals of his own at all. He never brings any substance to the discussion of how to fight inflation. Nor does he seem to understand how some of his own policies, enacted during his first term, applied inflationary pressures to the economy.

I dont have time or inclination to get too deep but a few pointers of the bigger Trump plan

1. Drill baby drill - lowering energy costs is the #1 thing that can be done to lower inflation - besides home bills, every product has to be delivered and manufacturing is especially contingent - Squashing the whole green scam and oil prices will drop as soon as he gets in as market begins to price his future moves.

2. Gutting regulations - insane number of regs in the fed register that add major layers of cost without real benefit except to lawyer and gov apparachics - you would probably get rid of 1/2 of them and nobody would even notice. Now that SCOTUS ruled on kicking it back to congress, expect a LOT of this. Business will rejoice over this more than tax reduction.

3. Build that wall and deport every illegal you can find - nah, that wont be reality but if they do start being very aggressive with deportations and e-verify penalties for employers, there will be a lot go home voluntarily and newcomers will go way down - this massively reduces burden/spending on fed, state and local govs to take care of them

4. Tarrifs - expect a lot of bluster here too but in the end, Trump will get less than he blusters but still way more than we get now - temp increase in COGS is not good for inflation but very good for American jobs and production.

5. Expect him to cut off spending to all the progressive pet projects and perhaps even eliminate some gov agencies saving some money - tho admittedly, he is likely to give some of that to GOP pet projects

6. No money for wars overseas - other countries need to pony up - enough said.

7. Corp tax reductions - oddly, when he did this before, treasury revenue was HIGHER than before because corps decide to book the taxes here instead of overseas. Bring the capital back to the USA in doing so, that helps us with trade deficits and thus less interest paid to foreigners and thus less inflation here at home.

8. Oh yes, no tax on tips - so great an idea Kamala is trying to copy it (though she would never follow through) Major boost to service workers and eliminates so many useless layers, all of which add cost so that the gov can get the money and hand it to someone else.


MASSIVE improvement over what Comrade Kamala is planning
 
Walz is way too far left for my liking; however, I dont think Walz's military stuff is a winner for a campaign with a guy that dodged the draft due to "bone spurs"....
I’d agree Trump should leave it alone however I’d call it completely fair game for Vance. Regardless it’s a footnote and Vance should focus on his record as that directly impacts the job he’s applying for
 
So if the buck stops with him on this fraud, what about Trump's COVID programs that got defrauded? We're talking $9b of fraud from the CARES Act alone.

It's really hard to attack the other party from solid ground when you root for either of the two teams.
"We know that when there is tax relief offered for young families . . . as great as that sounds, and we are appreciative of that point, if Minnesota wasn't such an expensive place to live," House Minority Leader Lisa Demuth said in March. "In addition to that $18 billion of surplus that is now gone, taxes and fees – our state budget – was raised by another $10 billion. We grew government in a way that is unsustainable."

This is the point.
 

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